Jakarta Gubernatorial Election Bets & Results

[Daniel50]

I am not really familiar with the Philippines but I believe there are a lot more guns available and gun violence? And the President giving people a licence to kill others sounds a bit extreme?

 

[atlantis]

I am not really familiar with the Philippines but I believe there are a lot more guns available and gun violence? And the President giving people a licence to kill others sounds a bit extreme?

I have been working and living in The Philippines years ago, before landing in Indonesia. One of the WTF souvenir I have his my favorite pastry shop in Cebu City being protected from dawn to dark by... a cop holding a machine gun! A Pastry shop...

 

[atlantis]

However booze was ridiculously cheap, with some of their poison (see below) even cheaper than Coke or Mineral Water for roughly the same quantity.

 

[ukcouple]

... As an aside.. and for those UK expats living abroad, I have just learned that on return to the UK you are NOT entitled to free hospital care under the NHS. In fact you must pay for your hospital costs at 1.5 times NHS cost. So forget about going back to the UK for free treatment on the NHS if you get sick.

That applies even if you are fully paid up with NI contributions.

Perhaps that is common knowledge for others but I just found out about that.

The rule was introduced to discourage health tourism to the UK...

The effect is to deprive Brits who are fully paid up to the NI system of the health care they are entitled to. What a crappy country the UK has become. It doesn't even take care of it's own citizens and pensioners.

Of course every other Tom Dick and Harry who can make it to the UK legally or illegally is entitled to full benefits of the NHS.

 

[Anglian]

In my opinion, the best alternative to Indonesia at least for retired western expats who want to stay in this part of the world is without doubt the Philippines.

For several reasons.

1. English is widely spoken and almost all Filipinos or Filipinas have had a lot of exposure to westerners and western culture so it's easy to fit in.

2. It's a Christian country not Islamic.. so in the long term given events in Indonesia more compatible with what makes most westerners feel comfortable.

3. Visas for long time residence are (I think).. easier and cheaper to get than Malaysia.

4. For UK citizens you get an inflation linked state pension.. it's locked in Indonesia to the amount it was at the beginning.

As an aside.. and for those UK expats living abroad, I have just learned that on return to the UK you are NOT entitled to free hospital care under the NHS. In fact you must pay for your hospital costs at 1.5 times NHS cost. So forget about going back to the UK for free treatment on the NHS if you get sick.

That applies even if you are fully paid up with NI contributions.

Perhaps that is common knowledge for others but I just found out about that.

A friend of mine been living here in Indonesia many years, returned to U.K. For the sole purpose of a hip replacement, he got a job at Cambridge and within a couple of months he had his hip op on the NHS, I have no idea how he did this, he had his treatment and is now working in Dubai, I suppose you have to lie.
I worked in Manila for a while, lot of poverty, always being stop by young ladies telling me how beautiful my nose is, or being stopped if I want a student, I said you mean a pro, no she's a student, we then have an argument if she's a pro or a student, but the poverty really struck me

 

[ukcouple]

... within a couple of months he had his hip op on the NHS, I have no idea how he did this, he had his treatment and is now working in Dubai, I suppose you have to lie...

if he stayed in the UK for a couple of months he could possibly re-establish his resident status so be entitled to the NHS benefits..

the problem is.. if a non-resident returns to the UK for emergency treatment (a frequent senario I think..) he would have to pay the full 1.5 times the cost.

 

[Anglian]

if he stayed in the UK for a couple of months he could possibly re-establish his resident status so be entitled to the NHS benefits..

the problem is.. if a non-resident returns to the UK for emergency treatment (a frequent senario I think..) he would have to pay the full 1.5 times the cost.

I really don't know how he did it, he tells me he has to have the other hip done but has to wait on the list till December time, in the meantime he has given up his UK job and gone to Dubai, very odd, we know what the rules are and how they are abused, I know he hasn't paid NI for years, so how he managed a puzzle

 

[Davita]

if he stayed in the UK for a couple of months he could possibly re-establish his resident status so be entitled to the NHS benefits..

the problem is.. if a non-resident returns to the UK for emergency treatment (a frequent senario I think..) he would have to pay the full 1.5 times the cost.

The UK changed the rules a couple of years ago to arbitrarily deny former UK citizens (except those in EU and a few other countries) from accessing the free NHS they may have contributed to since they started work. I did exactly that...I paid NI contributions till age 65 and now cannot access the NHS unless I return to permanently reside in UK. I may be eligible for military hospital treatment (22 years RAF Service) but the UK has reversed and obfuscated on so many rules I do not trust them for anything.
With Brexit looming I guess all the NHS and Pension rules will have to be amended and I hope all those expats living in EU, currently enjoying their pension and NHS reciprocal agreements, are also denied just like other expats who chose to live outside EU. Many will have to return unless some other arrangements are formed...if so, imo, the NHS and State pensions/welfare will collapse.

I hope the the returnees will focus on the south coast and their weight will tilt England and Westminster into the Channel...leaving Scotland high and dry above the water level...

edit: I can only guess that Anglian's friend convinced them that he was a UK resident and this could be verified by his NI and tax files. I hope he has his 'ducks in a row' on that.

 

[ukcouple]

The UK changed the rules a couple of years ago to arbitrarily deny former UK citizens (except those in EU and a few other countries) from accessing the free NHS they may have contributed to since they started work. I did exactly that...I paid NI contributions till age 65 and now cannot access the NHS unless I return to permanently reside in UK. I may be eligible for military hospital treatment (22 years RAF Service) but the UK has reversed and obfuscated on so many rules I do not trust them for anything.
With Brexit looming I guess all the NHS and Pension rules will have to be amended and I hope all those expats living in EU, currently enjoying their pension and NHS reciprocal agreements, are also denied just like other expats who chose to live outside EU. Many will have to return unless some other arrangements are formed...if so, imo, the NHS and State pensions/welfare will collapse.

I hope the the returnees will focus on the south coast and their weight will tilt England and Westminster into the Channel...leaving Scotland high and dry above the water level...

edit: I can only guess that Anglian's friend convinced them that he was a UK resident and this could be verified by his NI and tax files. I hope he has his 'ducks in a row' on that.

A quote from the Daily Telegraph.. 29th May 2015..

"British retirees living outside the European Economic Area will not only be denied free health care while in the UK – except short term treatment in an emergency – but also face a 50 per cent punitive surcharge for the service they receive..."

"British visitors on a trip back home from outside the EEA will be in a worse position than millions of nationals from the bloc which comprises the EU and other countries including Norway and Iceland." .. sic.. not to mention the thousands of illegals who arrive in the UK every year with full entitlement to all the benefits of the UK welfare system.

 

[ukcouple]

... edit: I can only guess that Anglian's friend convinced them that he was a UK resident and this could be verified by his NI and tax files. I hope he has his 'ducks in a row' on that.

yes..i dunno.. did Anglian's friend convince them that he was a UK resident when he was not.. ?

It's definitely not advisable to get caught doing that in the UK, and easy enough for the authorities to check.

They can be ruthless with pensioners telling porky pies. Not so good at catching real criminals.

 

[Anglian]

Difference between U.K. And Germany, while working at Munich Airport I had a slight mishap, a Hernia, I was talking to the manager and he said go and see the airport nurse you are quite friendly with her, this was a Sunday morning, so off I trotted, the nurse checked it and said wait there , half later a doctor arrived confirmed a hernia, he said which hospital would you like to go, I said I didn't know Munich hospital, so he wrote an address, that cost me 100 Deutch marks, I saw my boss he said off you go you have a Kranken shien( spelling) so off I went, I found the hospital, I walked in and immediately saw a young doctor, he said I must apologies, but I cannot take you in today, can you come back tomorrow, quick as that, UK I was given four month to see the specialist then a wait of one year, oh the hospital only charge 5 deutch marks for admin, really excellent hospital put some U.K. hospitals to shame

 

[Anglian]

I hope the the returnees will focus on the south coast and their weight will tilt England and Westminster into the Channel...leaving Scotland high and dry above the water level....

Oh mate, you don't want Mrs Krankie left in charge, I wouldn't wish that on my scots mates

 

[Daniel50]

Marches on April 28, 29 and may 4 and 5. They are sending out invitations GNPF (The national Movement of fatwa Guards). The theme is send Ahok to jail.

 

[Daniel50]

OT: Of course one might ask him/herself what would have happened with Prabowo as president.

I am convinced the trias politica, the separation of powers, would be much better followed and maintained. No BS that implementing more religion in society means following the Pancasila.

And many of the leaders would have disappeared.

Perhaps we are all wrong and 'they' are right; perhaps this country is not ready for full blown democracy.

Are you really saying that perhaps a certain religion, or elements with in the religion, cannot coexist with democracy?

 

[Asun]

Are you really saying that perhaps a certain religion, or elements with in the religion, cannot coexist with democracy?

Duh, isn't it obvious? When was the last time you see a democratic Buddhist country? Well, except for Thailand, and Myanmar, and..
let's try this again, when was the last time you see a democratic majority Christian country? Well, except for US, most of Europe.. hmm.. help me out here guys.

 

[Daniel50]

Here is a look at some countries. If you scroll down the link below it has a list of countries where Islam is dominant. I think this debate has been going on for a while including new formulations of what a new type of democracy could look like but is it really democracy? There is an article on Islam and Democracy found in Wikipedia. Using their indices only Indonesia qualifies as a democracy (a Muslim majority) at this time. This is a sensitive issue for many. Maybe Indonesia will become "more Islamic" and there are some who believe this is good.

Indices of democracy in Muslim countries[edit]
There are several non-governmental organizations that publish and maintain indices of freedom in the world, according to their own various definitions of the term, and rank countries as being free, partly free, or unfree using various measures of freedom, including political rights, economic rights, freedom of the press and civil liberties.
The following lists Muslim-majority countries and shows the scores given by two frequently used indices: Freedom in the World (2013) by the US-based Freedom House and the 2012 Democracy Index by the Economist Intelligence Unit. These indices are frequently used in Western media, but have attracted some criticism and may not reflect recent changes. As of 2012, Indonesia is the only Muslim-majority nation acknowledged as fully democratic by both Freedom House and Economist democracy indexes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy

 

[Daniel50]

Sorry the above link does not work. Here it is again if you scroll down it gives a list of countries with a Muslim majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy

 

[Anglian]

How do they difine democrate, the police are corrupt, the judiciary is corrupt, many politicians are corrupt, people can vote freely but the candidate is corrupt, is it in comparison to the US, UK and Europe, we know there is corruption but not on the scale here

 

[Zavia]

The UK changed the rules a couple of years ago to arbitrarily deny former UK citizens (except those in EU and a few other countries) from accessing the free NHS they may have contributed to since they started work. I did exactly that...I paid NI contributions till age 65 and now cannot access the NHS unless I return to permanently reside in UK. I may be eligible for military hospital treatment (22 years RAF Service) but the UK has reversed and obfuscated on so many rules I do not trust them for anything.
With Brexit looming I guess all the NHS and Pension rules will have to be amended and I hope all those expats living in EU, currently enjoying their pension and NHS reciprocal agreements, are also denied just like other expats who chose to live outside EU. Many will have to return unless some other arrangements are formed...if so, imo, the NHS and State pensions/welfare will collapse.

I hope the the returnees will focus on the south coast and their weight will tilt England and Westminster into the Channel...leaving Scotland high and dry above the water level...

edit: I can only guess that Anglian's friend convinced them that he was a UK resident and this could be verified by his NI and tax files. I hope he has his 'ducks in a row' on that.

How in the world does that happen, how did the seniors not all revolt?

In my opinion, the best alternative to Indonesia at least for retired western expats who want to stay in this part of the world is without doubt the Philippines.

For several reasons.

1. English is widely spoken and almost all Filipinos or Filipinas have had a lot of exposure to westerners and western culture so it's easy to fit in.

2. It's a Christian country not Islamic.. so in the long term given events in Indonesia more compatible with what makes most westerners feel comfortable.

3. Visas for long time residence are (I think).. easier and cheaper to get than Malaysia.

4. For UK citizens you get an inflation linked state pension.. it's locked in Indonesia to the amount it was at the beginning.

As an aside.. and for those UK expats living abroad, I have just learned that on return to the UK you are NOT entitled to free hospital care under the NHS. In fact you must pay for your hospital costs at 1.5 times NHS cost. So forget about going back to the UK for free treatment on the NHS if you get sick.

That applies even if you are fully paid up with NI contributions.

Perhaps that is common knowledge for others but I just found out about that.

I think the president isnt very nice.... seems like Indonesia's prez is better in general. Putting Ahok's loss to one side i mean.