Bali deports expats

[macvert]

In fact you are only really supposed to get a job here that no Indonesian can do, "properly" and train someone to replace you asap, in theory

if we add the word .."properly", the job possibilities could be endless & everlasting....

I've seen a situation where a mate of mine was working illegally as an unpaid surf instructor. I tried to warn him that even though he was unpaid it was still illegal because he was possibly taking the job of an Indonesian. The funny thing was that although the locals did not like the situation they had no idea of the law so did nothing.

 

[Bad_azz]

I disagree strongly Mr King.
That might be applicable in some arenas that you have worked in, I have not found that to be the case for me. I really cannot recall any working situation where a colleague has been peevish or displayed jealousy. BUT I am lovely & fun & personable. I still get messages from places I have worked telling me they miss me & want me back (bosses & employees)

 

[Anglian]

It does happen BA, the company I worked took on a new HR manager, I hadn't met him, but shortly after he started I go out into the hangar to see how work is progressing, not a soul in sight, I find all the mechanics squashed into their rest room, and Mr HR has decided to give a lecture on how to ask for a pay rise, I haul him out and give him a bollocking for one not introducing himself, two having a meeting without my permission as I have a schedule to meet, and three his lecture isn't really suitable for HR to make, he got very anti but buffered off back to his office in jakarta, a few days later I am informed the boss has sacked him for some other reason, a few days later again one of the boys in planning tells me his mate from manpower had rung him and asked if I was ok,as he had some irate gentlemen saying what a bastard I was to Indonesians and insulting them, anyway he was told I was an ok bloke and that sorted that out, so do have a care, this was the second instance of a peeved employer complaining, myself and six other Brits had a soft deportation due an irate ex employee,
My last boss told me she continuously got unsigned letters putting the knife into someone, most went into the bin some were looked at, so believe me an irate Indonesian can be a nasty piece of work fortunately they are few and most people I worked with didn't want me to retire and I still hear from many of them telling me how they and their families are getting on

 

[snpark]

as always in life 99 good comments can be undone by 1 bad one and everyone only remembers that 1

when im right, no one remembers, when im wrong no one forgets

 

[Anglian]

As an old American boss of mine used to say, One oh shit, cancels out five atta boys

 

[William King]

I disagree strongly Mr King.
That might be applicable in some arenas that you have worked in, I have not found that to be the case for me. I really cannot recall any working situation where a colleague has been peevish or displayed jealousy. BUT I am lovely & fun & personable. I still get messages from places I have worked telling me they miss me & want me back (bosses & employees)

Plenty around, my comment was referring to the types that would report you to immigration or join FPI etc. Obviously, I thought, not the wonderful, helpful, friendly and reason-I-am-still-working-here-a-decade-later Indonesians.

 

[William King]

here's an example.

 

[tokektokek]

here's an example.

Looks like the taxi driver wasn't looking where he was going, I hope for his sake he has insurance!

 

[jstar]

Not on Bali but Lombok:

A Dutch guy of 66 years old on a KITAP Lansia, a ‘retirement permit’, was deported last week. He was here for 30 years already, first in Bali and the last 7 years in Lombok.

Since he did not receive his pension (?) he was working at a supermarket and also gave private computer and English language courses. Obviously in the Lansia application you need(ed) to sign a statement you would not do any work.

Lansia Belanda 5 Tahun Bekerja 'Kasar' di Supermarket Mataram Dideportasi

Warga negara asing (WNA) asal Belanda berinisial H (66) dideportasi Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I TPI Mataram.

www.detik.com

 

[jstar]

This is somewhat absurd: Another Dutch guy, also living in Lombok, also got arrested but for very different reasons.

He had rented a motorbike on Bali but didn’t pay. So after 5 months there was a debt of 29,5 juta.

The police came to his house to check. Next to the motorbike they found
2,760 bottles of alcoholic drinks. No, that’s not a typo, there were 115 boxes with 24 bottles each.

So the 28-year-old ordered them online from Bali, he paid approximately 103,5 juta in total for the 4,9% drinks. According to himself it was for some private parties during the year but the police is convinced there was commercial intent. Mandalika is a tourist spot of course and a bar owner testified the man offered them for sale.

The VOC days may be over, but you can’t deny those Dutch still have a entrepreneurial spirit!

 

[pantaiema]

Not on Bali but Lombok:

A Dutch guy of 66 years old on a KITAP Lansia, a ‘retirement permit’, was deported last week. He was here for 30 years already, first in Bali and the last 7 years in Lombok.

Since he did not receive his pension (?) he was working at a supermarket and also gave private computer and English language courses. Obviously in the Lansia application you need(ed) to sign a statement you would not do any work.

Lansia Belanda 5 Tahun Bekerja 'Kasar' di Supermarket Mataram Dideportasi

Warga negara asing (WNA) asal Belanda berinisial H (66) dideportasi Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I TPI Mataram.

www.detik.com

"Saat itu, H tengah melakukan pekerjaan bongkar muat barang di supermarket tempat kerjanya di Mataram"

Translation: At that time, H was doing loading and unloading work at the supermarket where he works in Mataram.

The Netherlands and other western EU countries are well known for their superior benefit, social security system. Also at certain age everyone are entitled to a state pension irrespectively whether you ever contribute to the system or not. It is well known the benefit and welfare system in the EU is much better than other developed countries.

Has this guy lost his mind acting irrationally, or thinking the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. 65 years old doing loading and unloading Job ? He might be breaking his backbones if he does it regularly.
Why would a Dutch person want to do a menial job in the supermarket if he could get a state benefit in the Netherlands, no need to work highly likely he will get much more than the income he gets doing menial job in the supermarket and teaching computer courses in Indonesia?

This is an example how easy it is to live (or to cheat) on state benefit in Europe, although I never suggest people to cheat the benefit system.

'Housebound' benefits cheat went on 19 luxury cruises

A benefits cheat who claimed he was housebound was filmed carry his suitcase at an airport before jetting away on a luxury holiday to Australia.

www.standard.co.uk

You do not need to cheat like this couple in Europe as even for people who never work, never contribute to the system they could still enjoy an ample live without working. Is there any untold story here ??

 

[Samoerai]

The VOC days may be over, but you can’t deny those Dutch still have a entrepreneurial spirit!

 

[Samoerai]

Not on Bali but Lombok:

A Dutch guy of 66 years old on a KITAP Lansia, a ‘retirement permit’, was deported last week. He was here for 30 years already, first in Bali and the last 7 years in Lombok.

Since he did not receive his pension (?) he was working at a supermarket and also gave private computer and English language courses. Obviously in the Lansia application you need(ed) to sign a statement you would not do any work.

Lansia Belanda 5 Tahun Bekerja 'Kasar' di Supermarket Mataram Dideportasi

Warga negara asing (WNA) asal Belanda berinisial H (66) dideportasi Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I TPI Mataram.

www.detik.com

I feel sorry for the guy. He is legally documented and what is his crime, working to stay alive?

 

[Dave70]

Not on Bali but Lombok:

A Dutch guy of 66 years old on a KITAP Lansia, a ‘retirement permit’, was deported last week. He was here for 30 years already, first in Bali and the last 7 years in Lombok.

Since he did not receive his pension (?) he was working at a supermarket and also gave private computer and English language courses. Obviously in the Lansia application you need(ed) to sign a statement you would not do any work.

Lansia Belanda 5 Tahun Bekerja 'Kasar' di Supermarket Mataram Dideportasi

Warga negara asing (WNA) asal Belanda berinisial H (66) dideportasi Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I TPI Mataram.

www.detik.com

I think the supermarket is heartless to let an old man work as a coolie, he should be given a lighter job like cashier or someone who welcomes customers at the front door (dressed nicely in batik).

I believe he will not be deported if he was spouse-sponsored as he would have the right to support his Indonesian wife and their children.

 

[gemima]

"Saat itu, H tengah melakukan pekerjaan bongkar muat barang di supermarket tempat kerjanya di Mataram"

Translation: At that time, H was doing loading and unloading work at the supermarket where he works in Mataram.

The Netherlands and other western EU countries are well known for their superior benefit, social security system. Also at certain age everyone are entitled to a state pension irrespectively whether you ever contribute to the system or not. It is well known the benefit and welfare system in the EU is much better than other developed countries.

Has this guy lost his mind acting irrationally, or thinking the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. 65 years old doing loading and unloading Job ? He might be breaking his backbones if he does it regularly.
Why would a Dutch person want to do a menial job in the supermarket if he could get a state benefit in the Netherlands, no need to work highly likely much more than the income he get by doing menial job in the supermarket and teaching computer courses in Indonesia?

This is an example how easy it is to live on state benefit in Europe. I am not suggesting people to cheat the benefit system thus couples.

'Housebound' benefits cheat went on 19 luxury cruises

A benefits cheat who claimed he was housebound was filmed carry his suitcase at an airport before jetting away on a luxury holiday to Australia.

www.standard.co.uk

You do not need to cheat like this couple but in Europe even for people who never work, never contribute to the system you could still enjoy an ample live without working. Is there any untold story here ??

It seems he has not been living in the Netherlands for a long time so he is unlikely to have been making contributions to his social welfare and will prob only be allowed to take a small pension - which he can't apply for until he is 66. I'm no expert on Dutch pension schemes but in ireland you need to make 10 years of contributions to get the lowest level of benefit (132 euros per week) - likely the dutch system is similar. It's more generous than what you get in Indonesia (nothing) but it's hardly generous.
If his plan was to live out his retirement cheaply here in Indonesia on a small pension those plans are ruined now as he will be really struggling to live on a small pension in the EU.

 

[jstar]

The Netherlands and other western EU countries are well known for their superior benefit, social security system. Also at certain age everyone are entitled to a state pension irrespectively whether you ever contribute to the system or not.……….. Why would a Dutch person want to do a menial job in the supermarket if he could get a state benefit in the Netherlands

Well, there are some things to consider; first of all he stopped working (at least) 30 years ago the moment he entered Bali. So that means he was 36 years old and not entitled to any benefit. The current retirement age as far as I know (@Samoerai will know better) is 67 so he’s not even entitled to a pension yet.

Secondly, the retirement system deducts 2% per year of the state pension for years you were not living in the home country. So let’s say for a full pension you need to be in the Netherlands between 17 and 67 year old. In his case, he would only receive 40% of the state pension.

It might come across as a bit cold, but this really appears to be one of those cases where someone just burns all his bridges to party and have a great time (compare it a bit to the Polish couple without any money that was recently deported).

Everybody does some stupid things in his life but this seems to have been a biggie…

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[Samoerai]

Why would a Dutch person want to do a menial job in the supermarket if he could get a state benefit in the Netherlands, no need to work highly likely much more than the income he get by doing menial job

Well, this guy left The Netherlands 30 years ago. That will reduce his state pensiun, called AOW, significantly. Every year not living in The Netherlands will reduce his AOW by 2%: 30 × 2% × 1750 euro (AOW) = 1050 euro. His AOW is only 700 euro and on top of that his AOW starts at age 67,5 years.

 

[fastpitch17]

He had no money so he could not afford the plane fare. Indonesia must have paid so if nothing else he got a free trip home.

Been here 30 years so what did he live on in that time. Was he married to WNI or currently on retirement visa since he possessed a KITAP. Money had to be coming from somewhere. If he arrived at 37 it would be hard to imagine he built up enough savings to last 30 years. Maybe a nice inheritance or he was working.

 

[jstar]

He had no money so he could not afford the plane fare. Indonesia must have paid so if nothing else he got a free trip home.

Been here 30 years so what did he live on in that time. Was he married to WNI or currently on retirement visa since he possessed a KITAP. Money had to be coming from somewhere. If he arrived at 37 it would be hard to imagine he built up enough savings to last 30 years. Maybe a nice inheritance or he was working.

He was on a retirement visa. But obviously -considering his age- that must have been rather recent in his 30 year stay, the KITAP would expire this September.

There are quite some people in a similar situation btw; they have major issues or are in a midlife crisis or so and think their savings will be enough to live abroad on a ‘bounty island’.

And then you see on certain forums or crowdfunding websites they had a motorcycle accident and can’t pay the medical costs.

 

[Samoerai]

Well, this guy left The Netherlands 30 years ago. That will reduce his state pensiun, called AOW, significantly. Every year not living in The Netherlands will reduce his AOW by 2%: 30 × 2% × 1750 euro (AOW) = 1050 euro. His AOW is only 700 euro and on top of that his AOW starts at age 67,5 years.

On the other hand, when he arrives in The Netherlands he will get a social wellfare payment called "bijstands uitkering" around 1.934 euro netto per month. And maybe also some additionals, like "huur subsidie" to pay the rent. Yes, that's why in The Netherlands the tax is very high.