Mobil Rakyat...new cars

[vocalneal]

I had a long term rental SJ 413 many years ago. I liked it a lot. Bounced around dirt roads in Sabah without a single rattle. Gears were very close together. It was like driving a racing car but only going at about 40-50 mph bumps permitting.
When it came to buying a pickup for business I had no second thoughts at all about buying a Suzuki Super Carry. Eventually bought two.

 

[jstar]

Ho Hum, another in a long line of uninspiring, unoriginal Jeep knockoffs.

Well, it probably represents the core values of Jeep more than Fiat ..... eh Jeep itself.

This is a car you need to understand; made since 1970 and with supreme capacities to get 'out of the mud'. It was always light and agile and simple. Btw, what do you see in harsh circumstances in Africa etc. for real off-roading? LaRo or LC.

 

[R Cameron]

Ho Hum, another in a long line of uninspiring, unoriginal Jeep knockoffs.

Wranglers seems to get larger and larger with every generation, while this looks to be just about the same compact size as it's 1970s predecessor. And of course the biggest factor, a Wrangler will cost you 1M in Indonesia, this new Jimny is expected to be under 1/3 the price of a new Wrangler

 

[jstar]

True. Besides a Lada Niva* which is not available here, I don't see any car in this class or segment. (Perhaps a Dacia/Renault Duster 4x4, a Fiat Panda 4x4 but they are more for occasional off-road. If a Renault Kwid would be in 4WD it would qualify).

Bigger off-roaders like the G-Class, Land Cruiser, Petrol, Pajero, Land Rover, all have chosen for the luxury (and price) probably with demand from customers from the Middle East. We need to see how the new Defender will be, the Land Cruiser still has a very basic J70 version for the rough stuff.

* https://www.lada.ru/en/cars/4x4/3dv/about.html

 

[waarmstrong]

Wrangler Smangler; it itself is a poor substitute for the original pre Fiat, Pre Chrysler, pre AMC, Jeep by Willys.

 

[jstar]

We were talking about Japan. They have a new top seller, this used to be the Toyota Prius. Now their number one is the Nissan Note.

In many European countries that car already disappeared since the sales numbers were bad. But in Japan it is quite successful, it got a facelift and there is even an hybrid electric version which is called the e-Power, also with four wheel drive.

The reason I mention all this, is that Nissan might introduce this car over here in Indonesia.

So Nissan Motor Indonesia (NMI) already stated it is investigating and will use the (new) program of low carbon emission vehicle (LCEV) from the Indonesian government, to sell electric cars in the country.

That LCEV program, as confirmed by the Minister of Industry, will 'soon' regulate the stimulation of environmental friendly cars, including tax incentives. Thanks to the program, these cars should be(come) cheaper.

So, when will the Note go on sale in Indonesia? "We do not know yet, because we have to wait for the regulation (LCEV) to be officially inaugurated," the Vice President Director of Marketing and Sales of PT NMI in Tangerang stated. First NMI will examine every point in the LCEV regulation. It seems to be a bit of a vicious circle.

The reason the Ministry of Industry is not using the words Eletric Vehicle in LCEV, is that they would also include other technologies, such as (Plug-in) Hybrid. They expect the framework and incentive program to be operational this year. Hopefully the Nissan X-Trail, Lexus RX and Toyota Camry hybrids will become much cheaper. And a real beauty which would otherwise never stand a chance here, the full electric Jaguar i-Pace, is breaking all sales records for that brand in Western Europe.

 

[snpark]

Remember things like Lada etc built for Russian, Siberia, Mongolia etc, might be cheap but usually pretty sturdy solid chassis for 4x4 just dont expect leather, a/c, cup holder etc

 

[Jamu]

Most households also can't afford a car. Those that can afford a car can afford to upgrade their home power supply or even install a second meter dedicated to the vehicle.

I remember reading about that when there was a PLN promo (in the past year) to have electrical meters raised to 4400wh for free, and it seemed to be because Java has a surplus of electricity so they are trying to get people to use more.

I'm also intrigued by electric motorcycles, this looks fun:

Yes, these electric bikes are available in Indonesia, at prices from 180 - 360 juta, depending on model and spec. Surprisingly, I understand that there is currently no requirement for vehicle registration and a plate number.

 

[jstar]

Nissan Note.

In many European countries that car already disappeared since the sales numbers were bad. But in Japan it is quite successful, it got a facelift and there is even an ‘hybrid’ electric version which is called the e-Power, also with four wheel drive.

In fact this is an electric car with a range extender. Something we also know from the first generation Chevrolet Volt (2011-15) and BMW i3.

So a gasoline generator is running stationary in the background and thus providing extra juice for the electric engine. This system is rather quiet, obviously there’s no need for it to run when the batteries have enough capacity.

Different from a real EV which has to be charged (by plugging in a cable), or a (plug-in) Hybrid which has a real gasoline or diesel engine that takes over.

That the Note, and especially the e-Power, sells so well over there is not really surprising. It is a model with plenty of head and legroom and narrow enough to meet the "compact" rules (170 cm). The e-power drive is simple and relatively inexpensive: obviously there's no gearbox because the lack of combustion engine that connects to the wheels, the battery is relatively small because its initial range is not that important; what also helps is that the car brakes almost completely on the electric motor, with the regeneration of energy. The car is not fast, but that does not play a big role in Japan.

 

[jstar]

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For those interested in cars, this is 'the' national car show / expo:

http://indonesiaautoshow.com/giias18/?utm_source=SEM&utm_campaign=SEM

Worth while to visit, also for accessories and even bikes. It starts in two weeks...
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[jstar]

We can piggyback on the Jimny discussion with the new Jeep Wrangler.

The Wrangler 2019 looks like the previous (three) generation(s) but that's not necessarily bad of course.

Outside of the USA, it will not be available in a 6 cylinder anymore. The only engines will be 4 cylinder diesel and petrol. And only with an eight gear automatic. There are three types of roof (opening) systems. Obviously the models like Sahara and Rubicon will be available again.

Jeep Indonesia does not mention the new model at all, but I expect even higher prices in Indonesia than before. In the U.K. the price of the car starts at £44.000. Rather steep.

 

[waarmstrong]

That a lot to pay for a piece of shit car behind an historic name plate.

 

[jstar]

It all depends where you want to use it (for). If you're an aspal warrior and only drive around to the malls, it makes no sense at all besides the gengsi. But in rural areas it's great. The off-road capabilities of this Wrangler have been improved (again) btw.

 

[waarmstrong]

Off roading is a rather small portion of use both time & owner-wise. Besides that its not particularly durable. Mostly for folks who want to appear rugged.

 

[rabbit_39]

Off roading is a rather small portion of use both time & owner-wise. Besides that its not particularly durable. Mostly for folks who want to appear rugged.

Well up until 2008, the power train and drivetrain of the wranglers are quite up to snuff. They may cheap out on trim and cosmetics, but the engine is quite robust of a bit thirsty and the transmission, transfer case and axles are all good to go on rough terrains. Is it meant to go rock crawling? Not regularly, but the occasional trips, it will do it .they do have their limits and of regularly exceeded will break .But I don't agree that it's not particularly durable

 

[waarmstrong]

You are probably correct in that Consumer Report is suggesting that the mediocre repair frequency for the brand may be improving with the new model. But it still provides a rough, noisy, and quirky ride for everyday driving, is a gas hog, and has little of the latest safety features. There are better choices.

 

[vocalneal]

If you're an aspal warrior and only drive around to the malls

:lol: Sloane Rangers or wet leaves on the driveway.

98.8% This.

Mostly for folks who want to appear rugged.

and you don't have to dress like a pirate!

 

[jstar]

It's a bit like Range Rover and Merc G-Class; many in Holland call them 'PC. Hooftstraat tractor'. (Trendy and expensive shopping street in Amsterdam.) Not to mention the rap scene in the US of course. A bit of a shame those cars can never show their real potential...

Talking about the new G-Class; the price really becomes absurd. But still, a good 'investment'. If you bought the Cabriolet (convertible) version of the previous model, you'd have almost no write-off. Another car that keeps its value quite well, is the Range Rover Sport.
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[jstar]

Talking about Range Rover, the new Velar is also for sale now in Indonesia.

They position this model between the Évoque (which has a bit of a ladies' hairdresser image) and the Sport. You could compare it to a mix of the Mercedes GLC and GLE. But I think it looks much better. The price is astonishing; between 2 and 2,4 billion rupiah without any personalization.

 

[Wisnu]

talking about Nissan, here in Egypt we have been using Nissan Sentra for almost 4 years, more than 100K km without any single problem. Nice car, spacious for a small car; 1.6L engine, not much power but not a big deal for city car daily used to office.

I do not see Nissan Sentra in Indonesia; don't know why . Pricewise, relatively not expensive - cheaper compared with other same class like corolla, kia cerato, Hyundai Elantra,