Visit Visa convert into a business visa?Need honest advice.

[HappyMan]

Hi. As stated above, the legal route that they have for becoming long-term residents of Indonesia is going to involve either: marrying an Indonesian, getting a work visa because they have skills that the country wants to import and have found someone willing to employ them, or having enough money to create a sizable business. I don't think there's anything else.

If you want some general statements about how much it would cost to get set up here with housing for a few months and cost of living for the same amount of time, you could throw out some numbers first and then we could tell you if they seem realistic or not. I don't think you're going to get 20 different people to write you short essays on what it's like to live in their particular part of the country and attach photos.

Best of luck to you and those kids. I hope you can find something good for them. Wish I had something more directly helpful to say.

 

[Samoerai]

Realistically this all seems rather fanciful. Your last post just talks of the children. Are the parents not intending to migrate with them? If the family does not have investment funds to gain a golden visa then apart from short term visas it seems unlikely they will be eligible for long term residence. There are 13,000 refugees in Indonesia who are not able to work as government does not want them taking jobs which otherwise might be taken by Indonesians.

Unless these young people have specialists skills to be then sponsored by a local employer then their prospects are limited. There are something in excess of 300,000 migrant workers in Indonesia mostly from neighbouring countries. The International Organization for Migration notes: ". While migrant workers contribute greatly to the economic development of Indonesia, with registered remittances accounting for more than USD 6 billion annually, they remain inadequately protected by current law and practices. This renders Indonesian labour migrants highly vulnerable to violence, exploitative labour practices, sexual abuse, human trafficking and various other forms of abuse at each step of the migration journey."

From Gemini.: "
While it's possible for migrant workers to obtain permanent residence in Indonesia, the process can be quite rigorous. The Indonesian government typically requires foreign workers to demonstrate significant economic contributions and adhere to specific legal and administrative requirements.

Key Requirements:

1. Economic Contribution:
   • Business Establishment: Establishing a successful business in Indonesia can be a strong pathway to permanent residence.
   • Investment: Making substantial investments in the Indonesian economy, such as in real estate or infrastructure projects, can also be considered.
   • Highly Skilled Employment: Holding a highly skilled job in Indonesia can be beneficial, especially if the role is deemed essential for the country's development.
2. Clean Criminal Record:
   • Any criminal convictions can significantly impact the application process. A clean criminal record is generally a prerequisite.
3. Health Requirements:
   • Applicants may need to provide medical examinations to ensure they do not pose a health risk to the Indonesian population.
4. Legal Status:
   • The migrant worker must have a valid visa to stay in Indonesia. This visa will need to be renewed regularly, and eventually, converted to a permanent residence permit.

Specific Procedures:

• Consultation: It's highly recommended to consult with an immigration lawyer or agent who specializes in Indonesian immigration matters. They can provide tailored advice based on your specific circumstances.
• Application: The application process typically involves submitting various documents, such as proof of income, business registration, or employment contracts.
• Review and Approval: The Indonesian immigration authorities will review your application and supporting documents. If your application meets the requirements, you may be granted permanent residence.

Additional Considerations:

• Family Members: If you obtain permanent residence, you may be able to bring your family members to Indonesia under a family reunion visa.
• Language Proficiency: While not always a strict requirement, demonstrating proficiency in Indonesian can be advantageous.
• Cultural Adaptation: Successfully integrating into Indonesian culture and society can also be beneficial.

Remember: Immigration laws and regulations can change, so it's essential to stay updated on the latest requirements and procedures. Consulting with an expert can help you navigate the process effectively."
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Using an agency to try and navigate the above could also be a costly process. While it may be commendable that you are trying to help out this family you may also be raising false hope which may lead to disappointment and bitterness. If you or the family have sufficient funds then it would seem imperative to visit to research this whole area. Not sure how many of these children are at school age but this is another serious element to be considered. If the family members visited on a short term visa and then applied for an extended visa you must also bear in mind that payments for unsuccessful applications are not refunded.

Oh, I understand now. The OP has relatives "back home", meaning OP's home country, probably China I guess. And wants to help them immigrate to Indonesia. If so, that will be a difficult and long way having no "entanglements" with Indonesia.

Having said that ... opening a business like an ice cream shop is not a bad idea.
There is still 'room' for more ice cream shops, e.g.
1. In the market segment 'selling ice cream to the middle class'
2. and in the market segment 'selling snow balls (shaved ice) to the lower class'.

 

[Meemee]

Realistically this all seems rather fanciful. Your last post just talks of the children. Are the parents not intending to migrate with them? If the family does not have investment funds to gain a golden visa then apart from short term visas it seems unlikely they will be eligible for long term residence. There are 13,000 refugees in Indonesia who are not able to work as government does not want them taking jobs which otherwise might be taken by Indonesians.

Unless these young people have specialists skills to be then sponsored by a local employer then their prospects are limited. There are something in excess of 300,000 migrant workers in Indonesia mostly from neighbouring countries. The International Organization for Migration notes: ". While migrant workers contribute greatly to the economic development of Indonesia, with registered remittances accounting for more than USD 6 billion annually, they remain inadequately protected by current law and practices. This renders Indonesian labour migrants highly vulnerable to violence, exploitative labour practices, sexual abuse, human trafficking and various other forms of abuse at each step of the migration journey."

From Gemini.: "
While it's possible for migrant workers to obtain permanent residence in Indonesia, the process can be quite rigorous. The Indonesian government typically requires foreign workers to demonstrate significant economic contributions and adhere to specific legal and administrative requirements.

Key Requirements:

1. Economic Contribution:
   • Business Establishment: Establishing a successful business in Indonesia can be a strong pathway to permanent residence.
   • Investment: Making substantial investments in the Indonesian economy, such as in real estate or infrastructure projects, can also be considered.
   • Highly Skilled Employment: Holding a highly skilled job in Indonesia can be beneficial, especially if the role is deemed essential for the country's development.
2. Clean Criminal Record:
   • Any criminal convictions can significantly impact the application process. A clean criminal record is generally a prerequisite.
3. Health Requirements:
   • Applicants may need to provide medical examinations to ensure they do not pose a health risk to the Indonesian population.
4. Legal Status:
   • The migrant worker must have a valid visa to stay in Indonesia. This visa will need to be renewed regularly, and eventually, converted to a permanent residence permit.

Specific Procedures:

• Consultation: It's highly recommended to consult with an immigration lawyer or agent who specializes in Indonesian immigration matters. They can provide tailored advice based on your specific circumstances.
• Application: The application process typically involves submitting various documents, such as proof of income, business registration, or employment contracts.
• Review and Approval: The Indonesian immigration authorities will review your application and supporting documents. If your application meets the requirements, you may be granted permanent residence.

Additional Considerations:

• Family Members: If you obtain permanent residence, you may be able to bring your family members to Indonesia under a family reunion visa.
• Language Proficiency: While not always a strict requirement, demonstrating proficiency in Indonesian can be advantageous.
• Cultural Adaptation: Successfully integrating into Indonesian culture and society can also be beneficial.

Remember: Immigration laws and regulations can change, so it's essential to stay updated on the latest requirements and procedures. Consulting with an expert can help you navigate the process effectively."
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Using an agency to try and navigate the above could also be a costly process. While it may be commendable that you are trying to help out this family you may also be raising false hope which may lead to disappointment and bitterness. If you or the family have sufficient funds then it would seem imperative to visit to research this whole area. Not sure how many of these children are at school age but this is another serious element to be considered. If the family members visited on a short term visa and then applied for an extended visa you must also bear in mind that payments for unsuccessful applications are not refunded.

Thank you so very much for sharing the facts and reality and sharing .They lost their father few months back and have elderly mother who might stay back home when the kids are struggling to set up there future.
I thought Indonesia is a good choice because getting a visit visa not an issue also way cheaper than other countries so they live together work hard and do something for future.As you know getting even a visitor visa for any country has lots of requirements and after watching YT videos my impression was this is an easiest to try their luck without a huge investment.
I only can help them to set up a small shop but not in a position to help them with a huge funds.USA economy also very unstable and getting a visit visa is a dream now.I am trying my level best and enquiring what is the best country and a legal way them to try.I know or just experiment or wasting money is not affordable for anyone.I care abut them as they were raised in front of me and very nice gentlemen they just need a lead and ready to work hard to support the mother and siblings.
I am so grateful and appreciating you all people on this forum sharing your own thoughts or personal experiences and shed light on reality.I am sure they will find something work out for them and i am ready to helping them as much as i can on any ways i am able to.I have seen the time when i was at the same stage of life and can totally relate to them.I am strongly believer there is a will there is a way.May God help them and give them a lead to make their future bright with their hard work and dedication Amen
I will still looking your help me sharing more so may be something might help them

 

[pantaiema]

Thank you so very much for sharing the facts and reality and sharing .They lost their father few months back and have elderly mother who might stay back home when the kids are struggling to set up there future.
I thought Indonesia is a good choice because getting a visit visa not an issue also way cheaper than other countries so they live together work hard and do something for future.As you know getting even a visitor visa for any country has lots of requirements and after watching YT videos my impression was this is an easiest to try their luck without a huge investment.
I only can help them to set up a small shop but not in a position to help them with a huge funds.USA economy also very unstable and getting a visit visa is a dream now.I am trying my level best and enquiring what is the best country and a legal way them to try.I know or just experiment or wasting money is not affordable for anyone.I care abut them as they were raised in front of me and very nice gentlemen they just need a lead and ready to work hard to support the mother and siblings.
I am so grateful and appreciating you all people on this forum sharing your own thoughts or personal experiences and shed light on reality.I am sure they will find something work out for them and i am ready to helping them as much as i can on any ways i am able to.I have seen the time when i was at the same stage of life and can totally relate to them.I am strongly believer there is a will there is a way.May God help them and give them a lead to make their future bright with their hard work and dedication Amen
I will still looking your help me sharing more so may be something might help them

When it comes to immigration, residency, work, and starting a small business, Indonesia is among the most difficult and complex countries due to its intricate bureaucracy and widespread corruption at many levels of government.

I understand that you want to support them in setting up a small business. However, why not help them start their business in their current location? They are more familiar with the area and systems in their home country than they would be in a foreign country. Allowing them to test their business skills at home will give them a solid foundation. If they succeed, they will be better positioned to explore immigration options to other countries in the future. With money, they can live almost anywhere in this world through investment opportunities. If they struggle to succeed in their own country, it's unlikely they will thrive in a foreign country they haven't visited and know little about.

Also just be aware of, Indonesia does not have a benefit, social security system that you often see in the developed world. In Indonesia people rely on their family members, relatives in case they can not effort themselves to survive. In the foreign country in Indonesia, the kids you are trying to help do not have these privileges so your good intention to help them might turn to be a disaster.