KITAP change of sponsor....

[Banana72]

Even as it was the actual situation, I was never informed of any updates and she never read or answer my calls in almost two weeks...too risky and unprofessional. I can understand two-three days. but two weeks is pretty much beyond abandonment. Not until my wife called her and asked about my status, suddenly all my sent messages turned blue. My guess is that she was probably also over confident in the beginning only asked for some documentation (typical...passport, KK, etc) it was almost 'too easy' and quite affordable. Kinda ironic now that even though you know that the alih sponsor shouldn't be expensive at all...when you're quoted certain prices (included the MERP) you're like..hmmm..that's quite a 'good' deal...but maybe she realized in the end, it was probably too low, or she was embarassed to admit it was not as easy, and too 'nggak enak' to ask for more money, documentation, etc..instead, she just chose to ignore.

In any case- proceeding with the new agent...

 

[pantaiema]

I just remember now (vaguely), I have actually done the 'sponsorship transfer' (I think it was by myself)...according to the immigration officer, I had to switch temporarily from a TKA based KITAP, then new KITAS (new sponsor), then within three weeks, it was already converted into my new (ex wni) KITAP. As far as length of stay, it was still counted and not starting over from zero, as when I extended my KITAP the first time (in 2020) I received the unlimited one..

"Worst scenario" that's probably what might happen....

It is not uncommon for immigration officers to give different answers to the same question. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything said by immigration officers or especially agents unless it is provided in writing or documented in a way that can be used as a defence later. They could easily deny their statements later when you need them.

There are various types of sponsors: spouse sponsorship, WNI (Indonesian citizen) sponsorship, employer sponsorship, etc. It is unclear which specific sponsor type allows or disallows a person's residency to count towards permanent residency (KITAP) entitlements.

Many past and recent experiences with ransomware have taught people in Indonesia the importance of not relying solely on their system to record rights and entitlements. It is wise to have a personal physical backup that you personally hold and can use as evidence when needed.

How did you verify this information? Is there any formal documentation stating this that you can use later as legitimate evidence when applying for Permanent Residency?

 

[Banana72]

It is not uncommon for immigration officers to give different answers to the same question. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything said by immigration officers or especially agents unless it is provided in writing or documented in a way that can be used as a defence later. They could easily deny their statements later when you need them.

There are various types of sponsors: spouse sponsorship, WNI (Indonesian citizen) sponsorship, employer sponsorship, etc. It is unclear which specific sponsor type allows or disallows a person's residency to count towards permanent residency (KITAP) entitlements.

Many past and recent experiences with ransomware have taught people in Indonesia the importance of not relying solely on their system to record rights and entitlements. It is wise to have a personal physical backup that you personally hold and can use as evidence when needed.

How did you verify this information? Is there any formal documentation stating this that you can use later as legitimate evidence when applying for Permanent Residency?

In my case, (the first sponsorship transfer) it was actually fine cause by the time I got my 2nd KITAP, it had the 'date of report' instead of 'date of expiry' so what my immigration officer said was true (he passed away though last time i went to get my MERP i asked around and was told by the younger officer in the photo booth).

No formal documentation...just my current agent already verified with his guy who just went to the central immigration (kanIm?) that sponsorship change for the unlimited kitap should be fine (as in: no need to start over).

 

[fastpitch17]

It is not uncommon for immigration officers to give different answers to the same question. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything said by immigration officers or especially agents unless it is provided in writing or documented in a way that can be used as a defence later. They could easily deny their statements later when you need them.

There are various types of sponsors: spouse sponsorship, WNI (Indonesian citizen) sponsorship, employer sponsorship, etc. It is unclear which specific sponsor type allows or disallows a person's residency to count towards permanent residency (KITAP) entitlements.

Many past and recent experiences with ransomware have taught people in Indonesia the importance of not relying solely on their system to record rights and entitlements. It is wise to have a personal physical backup that you personally hold and can use as evidence when needed.

How did you verify this information? Is there any formal documentation stating this that you can use later as legitimate evidence when applying for Permanent Residency?

How about this. Look up the law yourself. Print it off in case you need to show someone. Let them take it to a superior to verify. Done. So many times you get a different answer is because the agents are not up on the laws, especially changes. The new laws come to the various offices and it is up to supervisory personnel to inform underlings but so many times they don't inform everyone. You can not blame the agents for what they never were told. I have done this regarding Immigration and CatSip. Requirements were changed after that. They don't mind you showing them if you do it respectfully. Throw it in their face and any processing could take forever if at all. Also, never be afraid to work up the chain of command. Again, respectfully and make sure the only payments made are those that come with official receipts. The written law is payment enough for expectations for them to follow it.

 

[HappyMan]

Just thought I'd add in a new bit here. A few weeks ago, I stopped by immigration to talk about doing my quinquennial report for my lifetime ITAP. In the intervening years, I have gotten divorced and remarried. My ex-wife is still my sponsor. I was somewhat surprised that the immigration officer said I would be required to change my sponsor to my current wife and essentially get a new ITAP.

I did bring this on myself, by asking about the process of changing my sponsor. Having learned that I would be starting the ITAP process over again in all but name, I no longer desired to change my sponsor. The immigration officer said that it is compulsory.

His reasoning was that my current ITAP was only allowed to continue after my divorce due to humanitarian reasons. As I have remarried, I can get a different visa and thus should be compelled to do so. In fact, the law states that a marriage which has lasted more than 10 years, upon it's resolution, does not necessitate the cancelation of the associated ITAP, provided that a sponsor is presented within 60 days. That is all it says. It doesn't say anything about having to choose a visa according to the preferences of the office staff.

I have left this for a while in hopes that if I go back without my wife, they will not remember me. I'll be going back later this week to make my report. Hopefully, I'll remember to let you know what happens.

 

[all4ywh]

Greetings again @HappyMan

I think that previously you already read my comments in these 2 posts from "march 2018" related to this subject :

Divorce, KITAP and right to work

Well, CEO and HR directors are excluded anyway and the 1:10 rule does/did not apply to directors, but for the rest... Big Japanese bank has moved its directors to Singapore. Granted, it was also BI pressure and not only Depnaker.

www.expatindo.org

Divorce, KITAP and right to work

Well, CEO and HR directors are excluded anyway and the 1:10 rule does/did not apply to directors, but for the rest... Big Japanese bank has moved its directors to Singapore. Granted, it was also BI pressure and not only Depnaker.

www.expatindo.org

Since that period of time I have not seen any newer "regulations" which canceled the Dirjen Imigrasi office's "requirement" to change sponsor after a divorce through the issuance of a new "level 1" ITAP which cancels the "lifetime" ITAP and requires the ITAP fee and Exit/Entry permit fee to be paid again.

Additionally, 4 months ago through the nearest immigration office I extended my "level 1" ITAP to become a "lifetime" ITAP again , while at that time it was required/requested that my sponsor visit that immigration office so that my request for the "lifetime" ITAP could be approved. So I would presume that if you attempt to do the 5-year report for your "lifetime" ITAP : that reporting will raise questions and issues by the immigration officers concerning your ex-wife as your current sponsor...

 

[HappyMan]

Greetings again @HappyMan

I think that previously you already read my comments in these 2 posts from "march 2018" related to this subject :

Divorce, KITAP and right to work

Well, CEO and HR directors are excluded anyway and the 1:10 rule does/did not apply to directors, but for the rest... Big Japanese bank has moved its directors to Singapore. Granted, it was also BI pressure and not only Depnaker.

www.expatindo.org

Divorce, KITAP and right to work

Well, CEO and HR directors are excluded anyway and the 1:10 rule does/did not apply to directors, but for the rest... Big Japanese bank has moved its directors to Singapore. Granted, it was also BI pressure and not only Depnaker.

www.expatindo.org

Since that period of time I have not seen any newer "regulations" which canceled the Dirjen Imigrasi office's "requirement" to change sponsor after a divorce through the issuance of a new "level 1" ITAP which cancels the "lifetime" ITAP and requires the ITAP fee and Exit/Entry permit fee to be paid again.

Additionally, 4 months ago through the nearest immigration office I extended my "level 1" ITAP to become a "lifetime" ITAP again , while at that time it was required/requested that my sponsor visit that immigration office so that my request for the "lifetime" ITAP could be approved. So I would presume that if you attempt to do the 5-year report for your "lifetime" ITAP : that reporting will raise questions and issues by the immigration officers concerning your ex-wife as your current sponsor...

So, what they did at the time was have my ex write a letter saying that she wanted to continue as the sponsor.
That was actually part of the problem at the immigration office. The officer first claimed that he could not find anything showing that I had changed my sponsor after my divorce. Once I found a digital copy of the document my ex-wife had provided them, he found the note in my file saying that my sponsor was to remain unchanged at the request of the sponsor.

I still haven't seen the regulation that allows them to make a jump from "ITAP is not cancelled and you must report with a sponsor" to "you must change your sponsor at our discretion".

 

[HappyMan]

If the ITAP isn't cancelled and I am not required to renew it... what could their angle be? I'll show up to report. Will they say I am not reporting?

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Another way of looking at it is that you will have to change sponsor at some point in the following years or decades, so might as well do it now.

 

[HappyMan]

Well... I've decided to go with a change of sponsor for reasons other being shown any evidence that it is required.

Actually happened to stumble across this little bit at HukumOnline:
Penyelesaian alih sponsor dilaksanakan oleh Kepala Kantor Imigrasi setelah mendapat persetujuan atau keputusan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi dengan melakukan hal-hal sebagai berikut:[11]

1. 1. 1. Membatalkan Izin Tinggal Keimigrasian yang lama dan memberikan Izin Tinggal Keimigrasian yang baru sebagai pemberian untuk yang pertama.
      2. Membubuhkan cap dan catatan perusahaan serta nomor dan tanggal surat persetujuan atau keputusan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi pada paspor kebangsaan atau Surat Perjalanan dan Buku Pendaftaran Orang Asing;

The above is a really old reference (1995) and also responds to a question about an ITAS sponsor change... but this is about what I expect when you are told that you will be given a new document number, must submit all of your paperwork over again, and must pay all the fees again. That's the process for cancelling the old document and getting a new one, not "resetting the old one". The law clearly states that ITAP holders who have been married for more then 10 years do not have their document canceled upon divorce and should report with a new guarantor.