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[pantaiema]

Average IQ in USA: 97.43.
Average IQ in Indonesia: 79.6

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Well, if the indicator in the matrix used to determine IQ were language, then I believe Indonesian people were better than Americans or other people from English-speaking countries.

How many Americans and Canadians can speak indigenous languages in North America? A few to name are Cherokee, Inuktitut, Navajo, Quechua, and Ojibwe.

How many Australians and New Zealanders speak indigenous languages in AU/NZ? A few to name are Torres Strait Island languages, Koori/Koorie languages, and Yolŋu (Yolngu) languages.

Compare that to how many Indonesians speak Javanese, Sundanese, Acehnese, Buginese, etc. These languages are not dialec but it is a different languages. How many native English speakers speak other foreign languages?

This is Emma and her sibling Mila, when she were asked "Emma, How many languages can you speak?" She speaks two languages English and British. I think she forgets to say she also speaks American

Emma can speak 2 languages!!!! #funnykids #funny #shorts

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This is John F Kennedy famous Speech in Berlin. Notice in minute 01:56 how he pronounced "Ich bin ein Berliner"

Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are among the worst English speakers considering their accents. No wonder they are often referred to as speaking 'Bamboo English,' or in the Philippines, it's called 'Carabao' English. But they are among the most competitive ethnic groups in the world.

 

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Well, if one of the indicators in the matrix used to determine IQ is language, then I believe Indonesian people are better than Americans or other English-speaking countries.

How many Americans and Canadians can speak indigenous languages in North America? A few to name are Cherokee, Inuktitut, Navajo, Quechua, and Ojibwe.

How many Australians and New Zealanders speak indigenous languages in AU/NZ? A few to name are Torres Strait Island languages, Koori/Koorie languages, and Yolŋu (Yolngu) languages.

Compare that to how many Indonesians speak Javanese, Sundanese, Acehnese, etc. How many native English speakers speak other foreign languages?"

Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are among the worst English speakers considering their accents. No wonder they are often referred to as speaking 'Bamboo English,' or in the Philippines, it's called 'Carabao' English. But they are among the most competitive ethnic groups in the world.

Except, English speakers can communicate with more people around the world than anyone who speaks just one of or many of the Indonesian dialects. Language is to communicate, not have discussions with yourself.

 

[centurion]

Well, if the indicator in the matrix used to determine IQ were language, then I believe Indonesian people were better than Americans or other people from English-speaking countries.

How many Americans and Canadians can speak indigenous languages in North America? A few to name are Cherokee, Inuktitut, Navajo, Quechua, and Ojibwe.

How many Australians and New Zealanders speak indigenous languages in AU/NZ? A few to name are Torres Strait Island languages, Koori/Koorie languages, and Yolŋu (Yolngu) languages.

Compare that to how many Indonesians speak Javanese, Sundanese, Acehnese, Buginese, etc. These languages are not dialec but it is a different languages. How many native English speakers speak other foreign languages?

This is Emma and her sibling Mila, when she were asked "Emma, How many languages can you speak?" She speaks two languages English and British. I think she forgets to say she also speaks American

Emma can speak 2 languages!!!! #funnykids #funny #shorts

#genalpha #milaandemma #twinsisters #staufferfamily #sister #twinmom #trendsMila and Emma Stauffer / Emma and Mila Stauffer / Mila Stauffer / Emma Stauffer ...

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This is John F Kennedy famous Speech in Berlin. Notice in minute 01:56 how he pronounced "Ich bin ein Berliner"

Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are among the worst English speakers considering their accents. No wonder they are often referred to as speaking 'Bamboo English,' or in the Philippines, it's called 'Carabao' English. But they are among the most competitive ethnic groups in the world.

US has 400 Nobel prize winners, Indonesia has zero.

 

[Samoerai]

Well, if the indicator in the matrix used to determine IQ were language, then I believe Indonesian people were better than Americans or other people from English-speaking countries.

Indonesians may have the ability to speak 2 or more (native) languages, but .... and maybe I should post this in the thread "wonders and curiosities" but they certainly do not get a price for communication. I noticed that Indonesians in general are poor 'communicators', e.g. keeping you up to date of any progress like "I am running late, I will be there in half an hour" or "we run into some problems with fixing the leaks, but it will be finished round 6 pm" or "I cannot make it next Saturday, let's postpone to ... next weekend" ... etc. Just some examples of the many experiences I have had so far. What is holding Indonesians (in general) back in better communication? Is it 'losing face' ... again?

 

[centurion]

Indonesians may have the ability to speak 2 or more (native) languages, but .... and maybe I should post this in the thread "wonders and curiosities" but they certainly do not get a price for communication. I noticed that Indonesians in general are poor 'communicators', e.g. keeping you up to date of any progress like "I am running late, I will be there in half an hour" or "we run into some problems with fixing the leaks, but it will be finished round 6 pm" or "I cannot make it next Saturday, let's postpone to ... next weekend" ... etc. Just some examples of the many experiences I have had so far. What is holding Indonesians (in general) back in better communication? Is it 'losing face' ... again?

I suppose non-confrontational style of communication, part of the Javanese culture.

 

[pantaiema]

US has 400 Nobel prize winners, Indonesia has zero.

Well, there is another side of the argument, stemming from famous Indonesian jokes that I still remember:

Americans/Russians are famously known among the first nations for making the spaceships that could reach the moon. Japanese manufacture advanced robots that could be transported to the moon and then explore the moon independently.

Indonesians are publishing tons of papers, regulations that, if stacked together, could also reach the moon. So, reaching the same end using another route.

 

[pantaiema]

Indonesians may have the ability to speak 2 or more (native) languages, but .... and maybe I should post this in the thread "wonders and curiosities" but they certainly do not get a price for communication. I noticed that Indonesians in general are poor 'communicators', e.g. keeping you up to date of any progress like "I am running late, I will be there in half an hour" or "we run into some problems with fixing the leaks, but it will be finished round 6 pm" or "I cannot make it next Saturday, let's postpone to ... next weekend" ... etc. Just some examples of the many experiences I have had so far. What is holding Indonesians (in general) back in better communication? Is it 'losing face' ... again?

I believe this has something to do with culture. Instead of reporting that they cannot come, they will try to see if they could come and solve the problem.

Also calling other people, they might be afraid of getting involved in direct argument / confrontation so better to bury their head on the sand and see what may come.

In Indonesia being late is part of the culture, so it has not been considered rude in general term. Certainly there are a few exceptions, such as if it has been reiterated many times for the importance of not being late, there was similar meeting in the past where the subculture to be in time was strongly upheld. It is noticeable in catching the trains, flights, etc.

This might be a bit of a shock to people who come from cultures that are opposite, such as the Dutch, who are well known for being very direct.

 

[Samoerai]

I believe this has something to do with culture. Instead of reporting that they cannot come, they will try to see if they could come and solve the problem.

Also calling other people, they might afraid of getting involved in direct argument / confrontation so better to bury their head and see what may come.

In Indonesia being late is part of the culture, so it has not been considered rude.

This might be a bit of a shock to people who come from cultures that are opposite, such as the Dutch, who are well known for being very direct.

I only gave a couple of examples to point out their poor communication skills in general. On average, apart from mentioned examples, my opinion is that Indonesians have poor communication skills. In many threads, e.g. about the soccer tournament or about the corruption cases, I noticed even on high government levels the communication is ... huh ... poor. So, why is that? Is it part of their culture? And also I noticed that -again in general- Indonesians make a lot of assumptions or interpretations instead of asking questions to clarify the situation.

 

[pantaiema]

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Imagine if someday people will not be able to see this artwork on Bali's beaches anymore, the girls and ladies are only allowed to dress like penguins on the beach, because the party who want to change the law win. Never say never if things keep moving forward you will know for certain where it will end. This is also based on the laws of Physics that govern this universe, such as the 2nd Law of Newton.

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[Nimbus]

Indonesians may have the ability to speak 2 or more (native) languages, but .... and maybe I should post this in the thread "wonders and curiosities" but they certainly do not get a price for communication. I noticed that Indonesians in general are poor 'communicators', e.g. keeping you up to date of any progress like "I am running late, I will be there in half an hour" or "we run into some problems with fixing the leaks, but it will be finished round 6 pm" or "I cannot make it next Saturday, let's postpone to ... next weekend" ... etc. Just some examples of the many experiences I have had so far. What is holding Indonesians (in general) back in better communication? Is it 'losing face' ... again?

Indonesians, particularly Javanese, are not great at handling conflict because they spend most of their time avoiding them. They’d rather stay quiet than say something that may offend somebody. I think it’s similar in most of Asia.

My employer puts most of their administrative and tech work in India. Working in America, I’m used to a more direct style of communication, so there has been some friction. For example, if they have a problem, I expect them to tell me as early as possible. This is so we have ample time to handle it before it becomes serious and costly. They, like most Indonesians, prefer to create an impression that everything is ok and struggle in silence. I usually learn just when things are about to take turn for the worse, which pisses me off.

In a way I can understand it. In their work culture their bosses probably berate them for coming with a problem, and it also makes them look bad for not being able to solve it. They don’t understand my open door mindset. I’ll never blame them for a problem, because I’m more interested in solving it than blaming anybody. However, I will blame them when they come with a problem that has turned serious because they were sitting on it for a month without telling me.

I know that in Indonesia (as well as India) there’s still a lot of toxic leaders who punish their subordinates for making a mistake, so people just clam up. I told people there are two kinds of mistakes: experimental mistakes and lazy mistakes. I’m tolerant toward the former, and sometimes I even encourage it. However, I hate the latter. Making a mistake in the course of innovation is ok, making a mistake because you can’t be arsed to pay attention is not.

 

[Samoerai]

Javanese, are not great at handling conflict because they spend most of their time avoiding them. They’d rather stay quiet than say something that may offend somebody. I think it’s similar in most of Asia.

In the field of psychology it's called 'coping mechanism', that is defined as an activity where a person seeks and apply various solutions to handle and manage his/her problems. There are stages, like being mature and handling a situation by addressing the problem and talking about it or confronting a person about it.

8 COPING STRATEGIES TO MANAGE LIFE CHANGES WITH SUCCESS

Simply put ‘coping’ includes a range of actions and adaptations individuals use ‘to deal with’ and ‘attempt’ to overcome problems and diffic

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I know that in Indonesia (as well as India) there’s still a lot of toxic leaders who punish their subordinates for making a mistake, so people just clam up.

Yes, everybody makes mistakes ... from making mistakes one can learn and get experience. The point is however, when one is hiring a person at some level of professionalisme, certain mistakes can be expected not to be made. That's why one hires e.g. an electrician, an auto mechanic .... or a dentist for a rooth canal

 

[centurion]

Indonesians, particularly Javanese, are not great at handling conflict because they spend most of their time avoiding them. They’d rather stay quiet than say something that may offend somebody. I think it’s similar in most of Asia.

My employer puts most of their administrative and tech work in India. Working in America, I’m used to a more direct style of communication, so there has been some friction. For example, if they have a problem, I expect them to tell me as early as possible. This is so we have ample time to handle it before it becomes serious and costly. They, like most Indonesians, prefer to create an impression that everything is ok and struggle in silence. I usually learn just when things are about to take turn for the worse, which pisses me off.

In a way I can understand it. In their work culture their bosses probably berate them for coming with a problem, and it also makes them look bad for not being able to solve it. They don’t understand my open door mindset. I’ll never blame them for a problem, because I’m more interested in solving it than blaming anybody. However, I will blame them when they come with a problem that has turned serious because they were sitting on it for a month without telling me.

I know that in Indonesia (as well as India) there’s still a lot of toxic leaders who punish their subordinates for making a mistake, so people just clam up. I told people there are two kinds of mistakes: experimental mistakes and lazy mistakes. I’m tolerant toward the former, and sometimes I even encourage it. However, I hate the latter. Making a mistake in the course of innovation is ok, making a mistake because you can’t be arsed to pay attention is not.

I have to say that my work with our Indonesian workers is mostly positive. They have provided the feedback whend told to do so, and work independently as well. Rarely experienced any lazy mistakes. Most of them are pretty efficient, and paid in accordance with that.

 

[flavus]

I have to say that my work with our Indonesian workers is mostly positive. They have provided the feedback whend told to do so, and work independently as well. Rarely experienced any lazy mistakes. Most of them are pretty efficient, and paid in accordance with that.

I wonder if you and @Nimbus are in different kinds of companies. I worked for several in the past, the last one matches your observation but the other two matches Nimbus'

 

[Nimbus]

In the field of psychology it's called 'coping mechanism', that is defined as an activity where a person seeks and apply various solutions to handle and manage his/her problems. There are stages, like being mature and handling a situation by addressing the problem and talking about it or confronting a person about it.

8 COPING STRATEGIES TO MANAGE LIFE CHANGES WITH SUCCESS

Simply put ‘coping’ includes a range of actions and adaptations individuals use ‘to deal with’ and ‘attempt’ to overcome problems and diffic

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What I notice is conflict avoidance often turns into a nasty fight when it’s no longer avoidable. As the famous saying goes: beware the fury of a patient man. This all-out anger is precisely what I’m always trying to avoid. Address the issue when it’s just an annoyance instead of letting it fester into wrath.

Yes, everybody makes mistakes ... from making mistakes one can learn and get experience. The point is however, when one is hiring a person at some level of professionalisme, certain mistakes can be expected not to be made. That's why one hires e.g. an electrician, an auto mechanic .... or a dentist for a rooth canal

There are mistakes, then there’s fraud. I’m in a high profile project serving mostly as a subject matter expert, with a bit of technical help here and there. A supposedly expert consultant from India with a PhD in statistics is brought in. We fully expected him to come up with an advanced statistical model to achieve our goal. In 7 months he didn’t offer anything of value despite our encouragement, so I eventually rolled my sleeves and started doing the entire thing myself. I’m not a statistics major nor a programmer, yet the model I handcoded actually works, certainly better than whatever this customer of ours currently has.

I didn’t get it right the first time around. The first model was an abject failure, but at least I tried something, instead of him who offered jack squat. Because I believe in collaboration and giving people a fair chance, I asked him as the expert one more time for ideas before I released the second model (that worked). His reply was basically saying the objective had been redefined by the project manager, so the current model (that does nothing) satisfied the requirements. As a consultant he’s only interested in completion, not impact.

This is the VP’s pet project that he has a personal interest in. I’m not about to let it fail spectacularly while I have my name attached to it. The consultant will move on to other companies several months later, but I’d still be working here.

All this made me wonder whether we had been duped. A statistics PhD who can’t come up with ideas for a common problem? In 7 months? My 10-minute google came up with several graduate theses covering it. Maybe he bought his diploma. In any case he’s useless, so I told my boss everything, the dude is gonna be reassigned. Unfortunately we already paid the consulting company for his time, so he’s just gonna be put elsewhere.

 

[Nimbus]

I wonder if you and @Nimbus are in different kinds of companies. I worked for several in the past, the last one matches your observation but the other two matches Nimbus'

There’s obvious culture difference between industries, but individual companies can have starkly different work culture within the same industry.

 

[flavus]

There’s obvious culture difference between industries, but individual companies can have starkly different work culture within the same industry.

Definitely. The last company I worked at have cofounders who have worked abroad and got funding from international VCs, which might help with the work culture.

The pay is also more competitive than the others, which definitely help recruit better candidates too

 

[Nimbus]

Definitely. The last company I worked at have cofounders who have worked abroad and got funding from international VCs, which might help with the work culture.

The pay is also more competitive than the others, which definitely help recruit better candidates too

As they say, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

I’m certain that you can get good labor from India, but you can’t get them by paying bottom Indian salary. Smarter Indian workers don’t work for minimum wage. The same is true in Indonesia and everywhere else in the world.

I feel that the big wigs at the top often don’t understand this until problems occur. The default when offshoring is to find the lowest cost, which is natural because companies go offshore to cut cost. However, there is such a thing as too cheap. When you get Indians with very heavy accents, you gotta wonder how low they’re getting paid. It’s not great when phone scammers speak better English than your legitimate contractors.

 

[flavus]

The default when offshoring is to find the lowest cost, which is natural because companies go offshore to cut cost. However, there is such a thing as too cheap.

The 737 MAX came to mind too

 

[Samoerai]

What I notice is conflict avoidance often turns into a nasty fight when it’s no longer avoidable. As the famous saying goes: beware the fury of a patient man. This all-out anger is precisely what I’m always trying to avoid. Address the issue when it’s just an annoyance instead of letting it fester into wrath.


There are mistakes, then there’s fraud. I’m in a high profile project serving mostly as a subject matter expert, with a bit of technical help here and there. A supposedly expert consultant from India with a PhD in statistics is brought in. We fully expected him to come up with an advanced statistical model to achieve our goal. In 7 months he didn’t offer anything of value despite our encouragement, so I eventually rolled my sleeves and started doing the entire thing myself. I’m not a statistics major nor a programmer, yet the model I handcoded actually works, certainly better than whatever this customer of ours currently has.

I didn’t get it right the first time around. The first model was an abject failure, but at least I tried something, instead of him who offered jack squat. Because I believe in collaboration and giving people a fair chance, I asked him as the expert one more time for ideas before I released the second model (that worked). His reply was basically saying the objective had been redefined by the project manager, so the current model (that does nothing) satisfied the requirements. As a consultant he’s only interested in completion, not impact.

This is the VP’s pet project that he has a personal interest in. I’m not about to let it fail spectacularly while I have my name attached to it. The consultant will move on to other companies several months later, but I’d still be working here.

All this made me wonder whether we had been duped. A statistics PhD who can’t come up with ideas for a common problem? In 7 months? My 10-minute google came up with several graduate theses covering it. Maybe he bought his diploma. In any case he’s useless, so I told my boss everything, the dude is gonna be reassigned. Unfortunately we already paid the consulting company for his time, so he’s just gonna be put elsewhere.

Just out of curiosity .. did you made a regression model in R?