Deportation and revoke blacklist

[javamoana]

Dear Members,

My friend is an american citizen and get deported In June 14, 2024 because he use social visa for working. He got red stamp on his passport, I want to ask some questions:
1. is anyone here knows how to do the revoke?
2. is it possible for him to come back to Indonesia? and how long until he could go back to indonesia?
3. if the only way to do the revoke is with the agent help, is anyone here would recommend me the nice agent you might now?
4. how much is the average cost to do that revoke service?

thank you so much, i hope i will get the information

 

[fastpitch17]

The request to cancel the blacklist has to be made to the Director General Immigration office directly. Sometimes they cancel it after 6 months minimum and sometimes they keep it in place. Being he has been gone over one year may work for him.

Being that he was deported for working he may have a harder chance right now with the current drive to clean that area up, primarily in Bali, but that comes out of DirGenIm too.

 

[Jaime C]

The request to cancel the blacklist has to be made to the Director General Immigration office directly. Sometimes they cancel it after 6 months minimum and sometimes they keep it in place. Being he has been gone over one year may work for him.

Being that he was deported for working he may have a harder chance right now with the current drive to clean that area up, primarily in Bali, but that comes out of DirGenIm too.

It said he just got deported a month ago.

 

[fastpitch17]

It said he just got deported a month ago.

Then he ain't coming back for awhile. Maybe he will transfer some cash for the little lady friend.

 

[Megagalactic]

This happened to me, but some years ago. The process to clear the Blacklist is as fastpitch17 describes. It only cost 5000rp for the meterai stamp, as I recall. But you will need an agent or a friend to go to go to Director General Immigration office on your behalf.

However, as I was deported out of another city (not Jakarta) I first had to get a letter from the local Kepala Kantor Immigrasi (the one I was deported from) saying he was ok with me clearing the blacklist. This cost me two leather handbags (assumedly for his wife, but who knows). Again, I was lucky enough to have a friend in Indonesia who did all this on my behalf.

A letter was issued I cleared the Blacklist and have had no trouble coming and going or getting ITAS since.

 

[pantaiema]

Dear Members,

My friend is an american citizen and get deported In June 14, 2024 because he use social visa for working. He got red stamp on his passport, I want to ask some questions:
1. is anyone here knows how to do the revoke?
2. is it possible for him to come back to Indonesia? and how long until he could go back to indonesia?
3. if the only way to do the revoke is with the agent help, is anyone here would recommend me the nice agent you might now?
4. how much is the average cost to do that revoke service?

thank you so much, i hope i will get the information

There is a well written information in here. It was written in January 16, 2017, so it might need updating from those who have done that recently.

Blacklisted from Indonesia? How to return legally - Expat Indo

Advice on how to deal with a blacklisting from Indonesia, petitioning immigration to remove your name from the blacklist and return legally.

www.expatindo.org

 

[merahputihalex]

In 2025, how I deleted my blacklist:
I have been to Indonesian embassy in my country, I pay the normal fee of 90jt, and it's now deleted.
No, no one played with me, they asked me the payment proof at the arrival.

 

[fastpitch17]

90 juta and you think that was a normal fee?

 

[merahputihalex]

Yes, this is the actual fee according to Indonesian law.
No joke

 

[atlantis]

90 juta and you think that was a normal fee?

@merahputihalex is absolutely correct. Since Desember 2024 the legal fee for what is called Pencabutan Penangkalan bagi Warga Negara Asing yang Ditangkal karena Overstay Lebih dari 60 Hari atau Tidak Membayar Biaya Beban" is Rp 90 juta.

Note that this fee (should) apply only to those who have been deported and blacklisted for an overstay of more than 60 days or those who have been deported and blacklisted for an overstay of less than 60 days but refused or couldn't pay the denda administartif related to their overstay.

Basically this fee is levied only on those deported/blacklisted for administrative offence, not criminal one.

 

[centurion]

@merahputihalex is absolutely correct. Since Desember 2024 the legal fee for what is called Pencabutan Penangkalan bagi Warga Negara Asing yang Ditangkal karena Overstay Lebih dari 60 Hari atau Tidak Membayar Biaya Beban" is Rp 90 juta.

Note that this fee (should) apply only to those who have been deported and blacklisted for an overstay of more than 60 days or those who have been deported and blacklisted for an overstay of less than 60 days but refused or couldn't pay the denda administartif related to their overstay.

Basically this fee is levied only on those deported/blacklisted for administrative offence, not criminal one.

That fee is just an administrative fee for deleting from the blacklist, and it does not work automatically, as the deportation reason can be also criminal or illegal behaviour other than overstay. You are still a subject to immigration decision, and when deletion is done, you get an official document about it.

 

[merahputihalex]

@merahputihalex is absolutely correct. Since Desember 2024 the legal fee for what is called Pencabutan Penangkalan bagi Warga Negara Asing yang Ditangkal karena Overstay Lebih dari 60 Hari atau Tidak Membayar Biaya Beban" is Rp 90 juta.

Note that this fee (should) apply only to those who have been deported and blacklisted for an overstay of more than 60 days or those who have been deported and blacklisted for an overstay of less than 60 days but refused or couldn't pay the denda administartif related to their overstay.

Basically this fee is levied only on those deported/blacklisted for administrative offence, not criminal one.

Thank you

Yes it was my case. I reported my overstay before 60 days, wasn't able to pay the overstay. I was cooperative so they didn't detained me. They gave me the time I needed to buy a ticket.
The 90jt fee can be paid to Indonesia. Embassies worldwide.

 

[Shadrach]

Thank you

Yes it was my case. I reported my overstay before 60 days, wasn't able to pay the overstay. I was cooperative so they didn't detained me. They gave me the time I needed to buy a ticket.
The 90jt fee can be paid to Indonesia. Embassies worldwide.

Everyone knows the rules about their time limit on their visa! You obviously didn't abide by the rules. How many days did you overstay? It is common sense when you travel, to have adequate funds to come and go. If you ran into a medical emergency or something unavoidable that's to be understood. If not, then that's on you!

 

[atlantis]

Everyone knows the rules about their time limit on their visa! You obviously didn't abide by the rules. How many days did you overstay? It is common sense when you travel, to have adequate funds to come and go. If you ran into a medical emergency or something unavoidable that's to be understood. If not, then that's on you!

The thread is about how to revoke black list after deportation and in no way a place to comment or to be judgemental on @merahputihalex own deportation.
I also note that @merahputihalex did the effort to explain how he had his blacklisting removed and both @centurion and I further explained the legality of it.
The Visas, permits and Immigration channel has always been an informative one where we praise people trying to help others with legal information and we certainly don't want to encourage crap or any form of trolling in these threads. Thank you.

 

[Shadrach]

That fee is just an administrative fee for deleting from the blacklist, and it does not work automatically, as the deportation reason can be also criminal or illegal behaviour other than overstay. You are still a subject to immigration decision, and when deletion is done, you get an official document about it.

Wow! 90 Juta for paperwork is pretty expensive. Do the administrators have to work that hard? Sorry merahputihalex! I didn't mean any offense. I was just being personal, not just giving legal jarble!

 

[atlantis]

Wow! 90 Juta for paperwork is pretty expensive. Do the administrators have to work that hard? Sorry merahputihalex! I didn't mean any offense. I was just being personal, not just giving legal jarble!

I think you may have been confused by my “the legal fee for what is called…” and @centurion “That fee is just an administrative fee for deleting from the blacklist”.

Both of us used the wrong term to explain it.

In fact the 90 juta is not an administrative FEE (biaya administrasi), which is nothing more than a payment made to a public body in exchange of a service, a license/izin, a visa…etc but it s an administrative FINE (denda administratif) as listed by the relevant Governmental Regulation, and as the Rp 1.000.000 / day of overstay of a foreign individual is, the Rp 1.000.000 fine to a WNI for a lost paspor (coming on top of the FEE to re-issue it) is, or the Rp 50.000.000 fined to airlines companies not having fulfilled their passenger document check obligation prior to boarding is.

The Indonesian government didn’t pick out of a hat the figure of 90 juta. It makes sense when you do the math and I’ll break it down for you:

An overstay of up to 60 days is sanctioned by a fine of Rp 1.000.000 per day meaning that if you overstay 60 days you owe Indonesia the amount of Rp 60.000.000.
If you pay the fine you get deported BUT NOT BLACKLISTED. If you don’t pay the fine you get deported AND blacklisted.
Now, if you want to have this blacklisting removed isn’t it fair that you pay first the fine you should have paid, increased by a percentage as it done in most countries for late payment of fines?

To be honest your stance confuses me a bit:
On one hand you write a post saying that if “You obviously didn't abide by the rules" for consequences, "that's on you". To me, "that's on you" means "if you do that, you are responsible for the consequences, whatever they are". I definitely subscribe to it too.
Then on the other hand in a subsequent post you seem to think that the consequence imposed by the Indonesian government, asking the payment of Rp 90 juta to compensate the lift of the blacklisting and the unpaid fine relevant to the overstay is unfair, expensive, exaggerate.
There is a moment one has to be logical and consistent. Just saying.
At least the Indonesian government by recently clarifying the amount to be paid as fine for the removal of the blacklisting is logical, proportionate and consistent in my book.

 

[Shadrach]

I think you may have been confused by my “the legal fee for what is called…” and @centurion “That fee is just an administrative fee for deleting from the blacklist”.

Both of us used the wrong term to explain it.

In fact the 90 juta is not an administrative FEE (biaya administrasi), which is nothing more than a payment made to a public body in exchange of a service, a license/izin, a visa…etc but it s an administrative FINE (denda administratif) as listed by the relevant Governmental Regulation, and as the Rp 1.000.000 / day of overstay of a foreign individual is, the Rp 1.000.000 fine to a WNI for a lost paspor (coming on top of the FEE to re-issue it) is, or the Rp 50.000.000 fined to airlines companies not having fulfilled their passenger document obligation prior to boarding is.

The Indonesian government didn’t pick out of a hat the figure of 90 juta. It makes sense when you do the math and I’ll break it down for you:

An overstay of up to 60 days is sanctioned by a fine of Rp 1.000.000 per day meaning that if you overstay 60 days you owe Indonesia the amount of Rp 60.000.000.
If you pay the fine you get deported BUT NOT BLACKLISTED. If you don’t pay the fine you get deported AND blacklisted.
Now, if you want to have this blacklisting removed isn’t it fair that you pay first the fine you should have paid, increased by a percentage as it done in most countries for late payment of fines?

To be honest your stance confuses me a bit:
On one hand you write a post saying that if “You obviously didn't abide by the rules" for consequences, "that's on you". To me, "that's on you" means "if you do that, you are responsible for the consequences, whatever they are". I definitely subscribe to it too.
Then on the other hand in a subsequent post you seem to think that the consequence imposed by the Indonesian government, asking the payment of Rp 90 juta to compensate the lift of the blacklisting and the unpaid fine relevant to the overstay is unfair, expensive, exaggerate.
There is a moment one has to be logical and consistent. Just saying.
At least the Indonesian government by recently clarifying the amount to be paid as fine for the removal of the blacklisting is logical, proportionate and consistent in my book.

Thank you for clarifying some of these issues. You are right when you I said that's on you. I did mean that if the person knowingly overstayed their visa, then they should pay a fine, if the government says so. What if there was no fine? I myself think that a RP. 1.000.000 fine per day is overly expensive! You are free to think differently. I can understand that a government has to somehow control their borders, and charge penalties, in some form for people coming and staying in their country. That's stuff that too much for my Brain to know what is right or wrong.
At least in this case, people are able to pay fines, and even get removed from a blacklist. It's better than a firing squad!

 

[fastpitch17]

Rp 90,000,000 to get removed from a blacklist is great incentive to not get blacklisted.

 

[Shadrach]

Rp 90,000,000 to get removed from a blacklist is great incentive to not get blacklisted.

Very good point indeed! But charging RP 1.000.000 a day penalty seems excessive to me! And someone said before that an WNI gets fined RP 1.000.000 if they lose their passport, and more to renew it. I mean come on, that's really harsh! That's a lot of money for an Indonesian person. It's cruel to fine someone for losing a passport. Accident happen. A renewal fee is to be expected.
OK it seems logical that the government fine people for this, but as I said, I think the amount is too excessive. The message would still come across with a lower fee.

 

[fastpitch17]

Very good point indeed! But charging RP 1.000.000 a day penalty seems excessive to me! And someone said before that an WNI gets fined RP 1.000.000 if they lose their passport, and more to renew it. I mean come on, that's really harsh! That's a lot of money for an Indonesian person. It's cruel to fine someone for losing a passport. Accident happen. A renewal fee is to be expected.
OK it seems logical that the government fine people for this, but as I said, I think the amount is too excessive. The message would still come across with a lower fee.

When you get elected to the Indonesian DPR be sure to bring that up. Until then, they and the President with Ministers call the shots. Call Prabowo.