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DEI is wrong because the most capable person can not get the job if they not the right color. So a long list of candidates will be ignored because of their color. That sounds right? I personally lost a promotion to Affirmative Action and the person they chose over me had to be fired in less than a year because the couldn't do the job. Imagine how much it is costing companies in lost time just to make up for a bad decision based on equity alone. Would you like your heart surgeon to be the equity choice or you would you prefer the have the better qualified? DEI and equity hires have no doubt caused loss of life in one way or another but at least the staff looks good on an equity page.
I am sorry that happened to you.! It is only common sense that they should hire the right person for the job, regardless of skin color. I'm sure that was the intention of the Government when they create Affirmative action. Wasn't it because there was an imbalance in the workforce, by most employees being White? So they created affirmative action to include people of different races? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are repeating the same lines the White House press secretary said?
I don't want to push DEI or affirmative action if it's done incorrectly. Of Course I want the most qualified person to do the job! DEI is being railroaded by the White Nationalists and be turned around into something It's not. The true meaning is good and is meant to help All the People!
 
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So please explain it to us. Explain how it's not a racist policy instead of just calling us the racists.
I don't understand? What is racist about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. That is the opposite of racism!
Isn't Racism is when you judge other races, and only want one to be in control?
You say us! Are you describing yourself as a White Nationalist?
 
You imply that anyone anti DEI policies is a white nationalist and therefore a racist.

At Its core DEI policies are basing selection and given preference to certain races. Therefore DEI is at its core a racist policy. Please explain how it is not.

Or explain what you mean by white supremacists turning DEI into something it's not. Please tell us what it is?

Policies already existed prior to DEI to ensure that people were not discriminated based on race or handicap. DEI policies have changed that from discrimination into active favouritism.
 
The nature of international foreign aid is that it serves a multiplicity of purposes. If directed well it can mean the difference between life and death for people in disaster situations. It can also enhance the future prospects of struggling communities. As previously indicated it is an important means of giving subsidies to US manufacturers and the agricultural industry. However, it also serves the foreign relations aspirations of donor countries with those countries where the aid is directed. And no matter how frivolous or wasteful some projects may seem, as indicated by Ruserius, the other ever present element is in what way can projects enable the purposes of the CIA in grooming contacts for the long haul.

In the short term the populist suspension of US foreign aid plays to the prejudices that many people have about giving aid when often there are many domestic concerns inadequately funded. After a while pressures from the US agricultural industry and manufacturers along with the foreign affairs and security interests will see the restoration of foreign; aid albeit with laying off of staff that do not serve those interests.
 
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Here are some of the things that have been listed as part of USaid (according to the Whitehouse)

$20 million for a "new Sesame Street show in Iraq" to $1.5 million and $5.5 million to promote LGBTQ+ advocacy in Jamaica and Uganda. $6 million for tourists in Egypt, more than $19 million to promote "inclusion" in Vietnam and $5 million to EcoHealthAlliance, described as "one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab." $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia workplaces, $70,000 for a "DEI musical" in Ireland and $32,000 for a "transgender comic book in Peru."
The Associated Press (AP) seem to report otherwise:

Allegedly only the grant to Grupa Izadji (Serbian organization) was awarded by USAID, the rest being awarded by the State Department’s Office of the Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs... Still tax payer money but I think that Politics should be particularly careful and precise when blaming an organization or a person.
I have no clue if the aid agency is/was "a criminal organization" or if "USAID's spending IS TOTALLY UNEXPLAINABLE" (Trump/Musk words) but it never ceases to amaze me how Trump is often able to throw unverified information and lies, get away with it and having it repeated with no effort of verifying it.
I am not a US citizen and have no dog in the fight but I think that verifying if the money has been indeed spent by USaid or the programs listed are any of USaid concerns or the Office of the Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs is not something difficult to clarify.
 
The Associated Press (AP) seem to report otherwise:

Allegedly only the grant to Grupa Izadji (Serbian organization) was awarded by USAID, the rest being awarded by the State Department’s Office Office of the Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs... Still tax payer money but I think that Politics should be particularly careful and precise when blaming an organization or a person.
I have no clue if the aid agency is/was "a criminal organization" or if "USAID's spending IS TOTALLY UNEXPLAINABLE" (Trump/Musk words) but it never ceases to amaze me how Trump is often able to throw unverified information and lies, get away with it and having it repeated with no effort of verifying it.
I am not a US citizen and have no dog in the fight but I think that verifying if the money has been indeed spent by USaid or the programs listed are any of USaid concerns or the Office of Office of the Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs is not something difficult to clarify.
I agree with everything you said but as much as people may dislike Trump, he is the only president so far that dares to question how the money is being spent. The only people against looking into it are the ones that made the budget and the ones benefiting from that money. Everyone else seems to be on the side of checking where the money is really going and what for. For example, Yes congress approved a new roof but should the government pay that bill before we have that roof and are able to make sure it is built the way we agreed and with the material we agreed upon. I can't see that as a bad thing and I don't know a single person that run their house any differently.
 
You imply that anyone anti DEI policies is a white nationalist and therefore a racist.

At Its core DEI policies are basing selection and given preference to certain races. Therefore DEI is at its core a racist policy. Please explain how it is not.

Or explain what you mean by white supremacists turning DEI into something it's not. Please tell us what it is?

Policies already existed prior to DEI to ensure that people were not discriminated based on race or handicap. DEI policies have changed that from discrimination into active favouritism.
No I didn't imply that. I said that there is a White Nationalist movement set out to confuse people about the true meaning of DEI. It is only a concept. The word Diversity means just that Diversity! Same with equity, and inclusion. If applied properly it does what it says. Please show us an example of this prejudice? If you can show that us these policies, showing favoritism towards one group over another then you're right.
It is obvious when you see the politicians that oppose DEI, that most are all stodgy Old White Men. I haven't seen any women, or Black people so opposed to it. As I already mentioned Affirmative action, was introduced long ago to break up the White male majority in the workforce, and to give handicapped people a place in the workforce. As someone else stated before, they lost a promotion due to it, and someone inadequate was given the position. Which turned out to be a wrong move, then it was hopefully corrected. So you see, it was a well meaning idea, but had flaws in its application.
I agree with everything you said but as much as people may dislike Trump, he is the only president so far that dares to question how the money is being spent. The only people against looking into it are the ones that made the budget and the ones benefiting from that money. Everyone else seems to be on the side of checking where the money is really going and what for. For example, Yes congress approved a new roof but should the government pay that bill before we have that roof and are able to make sure it is built the way we agreed and with the material we agreed upon. I can't see that as a bad thing and I don't know a single person that run their house any differently.
That is a good idea to do this. I do believe that most of the programs were by both parties, and both benefit from them. I agree it is a good idea to do some house cleaning. But it should be wisely done. There are so many projects to look into it will take a long time.
I think they should start with the oil, coal, mining, and deforestation industries first. Not a food, and medicine aid program. This should have been done all along, before things got out of hand. Some form of an accountability office, I assume it would have been called.
Your example of a roof building is a Good One, but as we all know, things have been built and later found out the contractors, builders, or someone did shoddy work and overcharged. They asked for money up front to buy materials, labor, etc, and that was given to them, only to find out later, there was a problem, like not using the proper materials, overcharging, overtime pay that wasn't done. The list goes on and on.
Another classic example of this is the medical field. Hospitals, pharmacies, and doctors are notorious for overcharging or charging for goods, and services not rendered, to the insurance companies, which then try to recoup their costs and pass the costs on to the patients. For example An aspirin should not cost $10.
 
Please show us an example of this prejudice?
Tell me how that a company being required to hire more X's because they don't have enough on staff is not racism at its core. If it were affecting people of colors job you would surely call it out for what it is. Any time you choose to hire (or fire) someone based only on the color of their skin, it is clear racism. Sorry we are only hiring white people. Your qualifications are exemplary but you we already have too many people of color. Does that sound different to you?

There are plenty of Black people opposed to Affirmative Action and DEI. Their stance is they don't want a hand out and have shown they are one of the best at what they do. But most who are benefitting would never want to lose that advantage so why would they speak out?
 
I said that there is a White Nationalist movement set out to confuse people about the true meaning of DEI.
Again you have not said what the meaning of DEI is and you have again implied that those against it are white nationalist movement.

Hawk256 gave you a clear example of where someone was descrimated against by race because of DEI.

So please....tell us how this is a white supremacists issue. How is DEI fighting racism as opposed to being a racist policy itself.
 
Again you have not said what the meaning of DEI is and you have again implied that those against it are white nationalist movement.

Hawk256 gave you a clear example of where someone was descrimated against by race because of DEI.

So please....tell us how this is a white supremacists issue. How is DEI fighting racism as opposed to being a racist policy itself.
You are not reading my statements correctly. I explained that DEI is exactly what is says. 1- Diversity is where the members are from many factions.
2- Equity, where all are equal
3 inclusion- where everyone is included.
I said that there is a strong movement by many conservative White Nationalist, that don't like this concept. They want to dominate, and control, society with their straight, Christian values.
I acknowledged Hawk's dilemma, and agreed that what happened to him, was not the right way to implement (Affirmative action).The concept, at that time. Was to mix up the workforce, and give people of different races, and disabilities, more of an opportunity to be a part of the workforce.
At that time, most workers in certain fields, were too predominately White males.
Unfortunately, some of the hirings were given to unqualified people. I said that I hoped the administrators saw their mistake, and properly corrected it.
You have this concept that DEI is not including everyone. This is not a battle. It is a concept trying to be fair, and includes all, in the workforce.
 
I just read this statement from Senator Angus King (I-ME) and thought it sounded relevant to all this Tomfoolery about DEI, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump.
"This isn't about politics. This isn't about policy. This isn't about Republican versus Democrat. This is about tampering with the structure of our government, which will ultimately undermine its ability to protect the freedom of our citizens. If our defense of the Constitution is gone, there's nothing left to us.”👍
 
USAID was very often used by the C.I.A. as cover front....
Well that's to be expected from them. Every country has their own little CIA! Yea there could have been all these terrible things done, but the most important thing to me is.
They provided food and medicine to hungry, sick, starving people around the World! As this subject has been bounced around, I detect so much readiness to find fault in a program designed to Help people! I'm sure people on this forum could find fault in just about anything. A church social, or a group of old timers playing chess or cards. Maybe kids going to summer camp. You never know, there could Commie spy's, pretending to be the instructors?
Come on everyone, let's look at some more prevalent matters at hand, like losing your constitutional rights! Your Freedom! Or AI taking over everyone's jobs. Or a new President that wants to be a Dictator, or rich Oligarchs buying their way into controlling governments, and gaining access to everyone's personal lives, and the financial dealing of the country's Treasury department.
Or you can bicker over minor distractions, while there are those wanting to manipulate the lives of millions of people. I am non partisan, and don't care about this party's values or that party's values. I just want what is best for everyone. I can't say what that is. It is different for everyone. But we should have the right to Democratically decide a system that can work for all. It is not set in Stone, but like the banks of a river, it is always changing with the times!
 
Come on everyone, let's look at some more prevalent matters at hand, like losing your constitutional rights! Your Freedom! Or AI taking over everyone's jobs. Or a new President that wants to be a Dictator, or rich Oligarchs buying their way into controlling governments, and gaining access to everyone's personal lives, and the financial dealing of the country's Treasury department.
What constitutional rights are in danger? Unless you can provide some examples you are just parroting what you read in a headline or heard someone else say.
 
What constitutional rights are in danger? Unless you can provide some examples you are just parroting what you read in a headline or heard someone else say.
Ouch, hey I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, I'm just trying to point out that Trump is letting an unelected rich guy from South Africa, access to people's SS numbers, bank accounts, veteran's benefits, and things that a civilian should not have access too. At the moment I don't have any examples but I will see if I can find some. So take it easy, we are not in a battle here. I just want good things for everybody. ❤️🙏👍
 
Shadrach I feel you parrot headlines on all subjects without understanding them.

On DEI explain how it has been hijacked by so called white supremacists. Your description of DEI has no actual use in real life

If 2 candidates then DEI automatically selects the one from a minority. Why should a minority have preference? How is that not racist against the other candidate?

Previous laws stated that you cannot select by race. DEI is actively selecting by race.
 
Ouch, hey I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, I'm just trying to point out that Trump is letting an unelected rich guy from South Africa, access to people's SS numbers, bank accounts, veteran's benefits, and things that a civilian should not have access too. At the moment I don't have any examples but I will see if I can find some. So take it easy, we are not in a battle here. I just want good things for everybody. ❤️🙏👍
It's not a contest but you are the one saying what is bad about someone based on what you heard instead of facts. If you had the facts to back it up, it's not an issue. Although I may call someone out, I will also acknowledge when someone does the right thing and I will research before making that decision. Spouting negative things with no evidence is not wanting good things for everyone, it's only wanting good for the ones you agree with.
 
USAID was very often used by the C.I.A. as cover front....

Georgian PM alleges US Embassy, USAID, NED acting in “coordinated manner” against his country


Tulsi Gabbard evokes the CIA’s Timber Sycamore (regime change) program


 
Shadrach can you at least agree that a lot of USaid is misused and that at a minimum the system needed gutting and rebuilding?

Here are some of the things that have been listed as part of USaid (according to the Whitehouse)

$20 million for a "new Sesame Street show in Iraq" to $1.5 million and $5.5 million to promote LGBTQ+ advocacy in Jamaica and Uganda. $6 million for tourists in Egypt, more than $19 million to promote "inclusion" in Vietnam and $5 million to EcoHealthAlliance, described as "one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab." $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia workplaces, $70,000 for a "DEI musical" in Ireland and $32,000 for a "transgender comic book in Peru."

To me this is not only a waste of tax payer money but is a US government trying to force their values and views on other countries. Yes they also did some good work but there is a lot wrong with it too. Also again, the US ilhas by far the biggest debt in the world. Why is it the US tax payers responsibility to fix world issues? Why not China, Saudi, or Norway?
With this White House, as with the last, I wouldn't take their word for anything without independent and credible confirmation. Quite a few MAGA allegations of USAID malfeasance have been disproven.
The US has some responsibility to help fix certain problems along with other wealthy countries, and ideally not create many new ones. Giving foreign aid sometimes helps the giver politically and economically too.
 
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