The Various Court Cases Against Donald Trump

[Bob]

Trump is the first to be convicted, but not the first that should have been.
Clinton is an obvious one, but Nixon was closer than he would have liked.
Biden is a serious candidate to be the second as he's very corrupt and, if Trump gets in, I can see papers released that prove it.
Trump is extremely vindictive so I believe putting the whole of US policy from the last ten years at risk is very likely not going to be a problem for him. In fact, I'm unsure Trump will think that far ahead in his rage.

Of what crimes should Clinton, Nixon and Biden have been convicted?

 

[jstar]

He’s still googling Bob….

 

[MamangDudul]

Of what crimes should Clinton, Nixon and Biden have been convicted?

Well, without me knowing if there ever was a trial or things got done out of court, (for example) Clintons Wikipedia page alone shows a long list of accusations, most of them are about sexual misbehaviour. Not much use to argue about was has or should have been, the point is it's hard to find a totally clean politician on that level (or someone who stays clean). Still doesn't mean that Trump is therefore a great presidential candidate, but the closer we look...he probably is in good company with them other fellas.

 

[jstar]

Even if both Trump and Clinton were good friends of Epstein and attended his parties, sexual misbehavior is not a crime unless specific laws are broken. Except in countries like Indonesia of course.

Trump’s misbehavior (golden showers with Russian hookers, Stormy Daniels, …) is also no ground for any of the current law suits. The fact that he tried to cover it up is not even illegal.

 

[snpark]

Even if both Trump and Clinton were good friends of Epstein and attended his parties, sexual misbehavior is not a crime unless specific laws are broken. Except in countries like Indonesia of course.

Trump’s misbehavior (golden showers with Russian hookers, Stormy Daniels, …) is also no ground for any of the current law suits. The fact that he tried to cover it up is not even illegal.

the porn star one is not for hush money its for electoral inteference and falsifiying accounts for campaign contributions

 

[jstar]

A third one is tax violation.

 

[Hawk256]

the porn star one is not for hush money its for electoral inteference and falsifiying accounts for campaign contributions

Just curious, if that is considered electoral interference, was claiming that Hunter's diary was Russian disinformation and legit telling news sources not to publish a story about it 6 months before the election considered OK? It could have made a difference if people knew the truth. Doesn't matter if it was his son or if he did anyting illegal, the fact that they knowingly covered it up and provided false information to the public would constitue election interfecre. Goose meet gander.

 

[snpark]

Just curious, if that is considered electoral interference, was claiming that Hunter's diary was Russian disinformation and legit telling news sources not to publish a story about it 6 months before the election considered OK? It could have made a difference if people knew the truth. Doesn't matter if it was his son or if he did anyting illegal, the fact that they knowingly covered it up and provided false information to the public would constitue election interfecre. Goose meet gander.

Did it break a law?
No then

 

[Hawk256]

Did it break a law?
No then

If interfering with the election is a bad thing, then it appears Trump isn't alone in his actions. It is really that simple. Trump was trying to hide his affair and not lose vote, Biden (along with branches of the US government) were hiding the fact the Biden could be compromised through his son to not lose votes. Both seem equally questionable to me but even more so when the government gets involved in the cover up. Spin it how you want, those are the facts.

Next we can discuss how Biden was storing Classifed documents (that we aren't sure he should have access to) in ungarded building owned by the Chinese and his unsecured garage for years, But since he is a forgetful old man that the DA didn't want to charge, he got off free. How did that same charge work for Trump? Also considering that he 100% had legit access to those documents at one point and wasn't giving out any information that he already knew even if he did. I'm not trying to whatabousim either situation but very similar actions are resulting in very different outcomes for those involved.

 

[Brian86]

How did that same charge work for Trump? Also considering that he 100% had legit access to those documents at one point and wasn't giving out any information that he already knew even if he did. I'm not trying to whatabousim either situation but very similar actions are resulting in very different outcomes for those involved.

If Trump would have returned the documents when asked (like Biden did), nothing would have happened. He had the highest tiers of classified documents in unlocked rooms accessible to Mar-a-lago guests, and when the government came asking for them he refused, lied, moved them, hid them, refused some more, until they had to go with a warrant to retrieve them.

Those are NOT "very similar actions".

 

[Hawk256]

If Trump would have returned the documents when asked (like Biden did), nothing would have happened. He had the highest tiers of classified documents in unlocked rooms accessible to Mar-a-lago guests, and when the government came asking for them he refused, lied, moved them, hid them, refused some more, until they had to go with a warrant to retrieve them.

Those are NOT "very similar actions".

Are you talking about Mar-a-logo that is guarded by the Secret Service at all times correct? Both should have been charged, How may chinese eyes got into the documents being stored in Bidens old office, that he technically shouldn't have had at that point. Both are serious breaches of national security. One man has been charged an the other gets off because hes a forgetfull old man.

 

[Hawk256]

Are you talking about Mar-a-logo that is guarded by the Secret Service at all times correct? Both should have been charged, How may chinese eyes got into the documents being stored in Bidens old office, that he technically shouldn't have had at that point. Both are serious breaches of national security. One man has been charged an the other gets off because hes a forgetfull old man.

Instead of just disgreeing, tell me where I'm wrong. I am a little confused as to why asking for an equal justice system is a bad thing. It certainly appears that it is anything but, I hate to give suport to Trump on anything but he does appear to be treated differently.

 

[snpark]

One is accidental and documents willingly returned and FBI informed

The other deliberate and obstruction and lies about returning them even several visits later

Denying existence etc then oh look wow 600 more boxes somewhere else. Etc etc
Then saying oh they're not classified now I waved my magic sharpie over them
From the man who openly revealed national security secrets in the office on camera to foreign embassy.

 

[Brian86]

Instead of just disgreeing, tell me where I'm wrong. I am a little confused as to why asking for an equal justice system is a bad thing. It certainly appears that it is anything but, I hate to give suport to Trump on anything but he does appear to be treated differently.

If you search the news for politicians and officials having classified or department documents after their term, you will find many articles. One thing in common is that they all (Biden included) turn them over immediately as soon as the government asks for them or it comes to light. Trump is the lone exception to this; refusing to return extremely sensitive stolen documents is an entirely different level of crime than that of Biden and other officials (both sides) are regularly guilty of.

The counts in the indictment are

• 32 counts of "Willful Retention of National Defense Information". There is no indication that Biden's documents were "willfully" retained. I do not know the level of classification Biden's documents had, but Trump's were of the highest level.
• 1 count of "Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice". He lied to the FBI about possession, tried to destroy cctv evidence, suggested destroying the evidence, and had the documents moved to conceal them. Biden, on the other hand, voluntarily reported the improperly held documents when his team discovered them and turned them over at the first opportunity.
• 7 more counts of withholding, destroying, concealing, false statements, etc. Biden did nothing of the kind.

If you can't see the difference... well, you'd certainly be welcome at Mar-a-lago.

 

[Hawk256]

If you search the news for politicians and officials having classified or department documents after their term, you will find many articles. One thing in common is that they all (Biden included) turn them over immediately as soon as the government asks for them or it comes to light. Trump is the lone exception to this; refusing to return extremely sensitive stolen documents is an entirely different level of crime than that of Biden and other officials (both sides) are regularly guilty of.

The counts in the indictment are

• 32 counts of "Willful Retention of National Defense Information". There is no indication that Biden's documents were "willfully" retained. I do not know the level of classification Biden's documents had, but Trump's were of the highest level.
• 1 count of "Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice". He lied to the FBI about possession, tried to destroy cctv evidence, suggested destroying the evidence, and had the documents moved to conceal them. Biden, on the other hand, voluntarily reported the improperly held documents when his team discovered them and turned them over at the first opportunity.
• 7 more counts of withholding, destroying, concealing, false statements, etc. Biden did nothing of the kind.

If you can't see the difference... well, you'd certainly be welcome at Mar-a-lago.

See this is what I like, a well stated and logical rebuttal. The one thing I would question though is does turning the documents over immeditaly really obsolve you of the harm already inflicted? If you rob a bank but then give the money back, they aren't going to let you walk. You still robbed a bank or in these cases mishandled secret documents. While I admit they are not exactly the same and the differences seem worse in some ways. It's still doesn't seem like a one person charged with mulpile crimes and letting another off with 0 charges seem like a level playing field. At the end of the day, Trump didn't learn anything he didn't already know and the governement knew exactly what info he had. I promise you if they thought that information had been compromised, we would be in a completly different place legaly. For the life of me, I can't understand what Trump's long game was here and he deserves what he gets, but I can't agree that Biden deserved even less than a slap on the wrist. This is how Trump keeps his supporters happy, there is a grain of truth in what he says, no matter how small.

 

[jstar]

Did you ‘forget’ this conversation? He was very well aware he kept the sensitive documents somewhere they were not supposed to be and even realized they were never declassified (by himself)…

 

[Brian86]

It's still doesn't seem like a one person charged with mulpile crimes and letting another off with 0 charges seem like a level playing field.

Look through the Trump indictment and tell me which of those crimes you think Biden committed but is being let off.

 

[snpark]

Biden had stuff accidentally that he was unaware of. He searched his office and found it and declared it

Trump took it deliberately and hid it deliberately and then lied about having it

Totally different
And quite obviously his plan was to use it to get something for himself in return

He already admitted on camera telling the Russian ambassador about a spy and about some Israeli satellite or something and then even about hidden features of the Mexican wall despite his team telling him not to

 

[snpark]

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18B2MM/

 

[snpark]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-denies-trump-gave-classified-information-to-russian-officials-1494890345